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To: maddog55
I call BS on your post. There's nothing "ministerial" here below or in any of our laws. Pence had a duty and he shirked it.

Nice try, Rat.

3 U.S.C. United States Code, 2014 Edition Title 3 - THE PRESIDENT CHAPTER 1 - PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AND VACANCIES Sec. 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress From the U.S. Government Publishing Office, www.gpo.gov §15. Counting electoral votes in Congress Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o'clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of. (June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 675.) Counting of Electoral Votes 2013—Pub. L. 112–228, §1, Dec. 28, 2012, 126 Stat. 1610, provided that: "The meeting of the Senate and House of Representatives to be held in January 2013 pursuant to section 15 of title 3, United States Code, to count the electoral votes for President and Vice President cast by the electors in December 2012 shall be held on January 4, 2013 (rather than on the date specified in the first sentence of that section)." 2009—Pub. L. 110–430, §2, Oct. 15, 2008, 122 Stat. 4846, provided that: "The meeting of the Senate and House of Representatives to be held in January 2009 pursuant to section 15 of title 3, United States Code, to count the electoral votes for President and Vice President cast by the electors in December 2008 shall be held on January 8, 2009 (rather than on the date specified in the first sentence of that section)." 1997—Pub. L. 104–296, §2, Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3558, provided that: "The meeting of the Senate and House of Representatives to be held in January 1997 pursuant to section 15 of title 3, United States Code, to count the electoral votes for President and Vice President cast by the electors in December 1996 shall be held on January 9, 1997 (rather than on the date specified in the first sentence of that section)." 1989—Pub. L. 100–646, Nov. 9, 1988, 102 Stat. 3341,

94 posted on 10/30/2023 2:22:55 AM PDT by caddie (We must all become Trump, starting now!)
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To: caddie

I call BS on your post retard... Since you like childish names:

The Process

Certifying the election results is the final phase before the inauguration. The Congressional Research Service’s (CRS) current interpretation of the Act is as follows:

“Objections to individual state returns must be made in writing by at least one Member each of the Senate and House of Representatives. If an objection meets these requirements, the joint session recesses and the two houses separate and debate the question...The two houses then vote separately to accept or reject the objection. They then reassemble in [a] joint session, and announce the results of their respective votes. An objection to a state’s electoral vote must be approved by both houses in order for any contested votes to be excluded”.

There can be no general objection to the election results; it must be done on a state-by-state basis. The need for a member of each house to support an objection ensures it is legitimate.

This interpretation by the CRS provides a clear outline of the process, but the Act is constructed with ambiguous language, calling into question its legislative authority. The complexity and poor drafting have made this process a target of significant criticism as people feel it further removes the American people from the election process. However, this criticism does not approach the issue correctly. The Act was designed to protect the United States election process from corruption. If concerns are raised in the two months following the general election, this gives an opportunity to review those claims and ensure incorruptibility.

During the 2020 election, the process was delayed during the the Jan 6th 2020 protest (I didn’t say riot or insurrection because it was a protest nothing more).

Republican lawmakers objected to the results on the grounds of voter fraud and called for an audit of the results. Of the objections raised, only two states – Arizona and Pennsylvania – had support from the House and Senate, which required the bodies to meet separately and debate the objections. Both objections were unsuccessful and Biden was declared the victor.

Deal with reality


96 posted on 10/30/2023 3:55:56 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: caddie

Additionally..

Objections only work if there’s support from both a senator and a representative.

Under the Electoral Count Act, a petitioner from both the House and Senate are required to challenge a state’s slate of electoral votes, and the objection must be in writing.

10:25 p.m. ET, January 6, 2021
The Senate just rejected an objection to Arizona’s electoral vote.

10:25 p.m. ET, January 6, 2021
Senate rejects objection to Arizona electoral vote.

The votes were not on Trump’s side unfortunately.

Since Democrats controlled the House and enough Republicans in both the House and Senate accepted that Trump lost the election it was irrelevant.


97 posted on 10/30/2023 4:27:09 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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