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To: odawg

There was no naturalization or citizenship for states.

Anyone could move anywhere in the US as a US citizen.

Lee couldn’t stand up for his own convictions and took the Rino route to go along to get along.


80 posted on 10/26/2023 4:23:46 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

“Lee couldn’t stand up for his own convictions and took the Rino route to go along to get along.

You are hideously full of crap, venom, and ignorance.

You have no idea at all what the hell you are talking about.

According to HISTORIANS, which you are not one, state citizenship trumped national citizenship in 1860. That is why those constitutional amendments were passed.


85 posted on 10/26/2023 4:38:03 PM PDT by odawg
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To: ifinnegan

The legal construct of the States is separate from the national citizenship conveyed by the federal government.This is black book law. And in those days US citizens considered themselves US citizens whose homeland was... their State, and the homeland considered their country. That is what governed the decisions of every one of the officer class in the conflict- on both sides. A little less so for the conscripted Germans and Irish who were compelled into service for low dollars by a Union seeking cannon fodder. A rather large difference for those folks, many right off the boats escaping Europe.

Lee publicly stood up for his convictions of what was his country and the supercedence of State laws which controlled his commercial actions (just as they did Jefferson). It was the very issue of Federal vs State that created this conflict- and it could have been resolved except for the fanatic abolitionists coupled with Union mercantilists vs. the agrarians and major foreign exports of their commodities (and the tariffs applied as well as the definition of citizens- which Unionists insisted could NOT include indentured people. Again history well documented).


111 posted on 10/27/2023 9:44:24 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis )
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