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Experts say 50 million miles of new power lines needed for green energy, and that may be impossible
Just the News ^ | 10/24/23 | By Kevin Killough

Posted on 10/25/2023 8:34:56 AM PDT by CFW

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To: Red Badger

Since the entire “Green New Deal” is just a leftist pipe dream founded on ‘feelings’ instead of reality and sound engineering.

It defies every law of nature and would take more minerals and raw materials than available on the entire earth.

And the pipedream technology consumes more energy than it would produce.

So, since the entire pipedream “Green New Deal” is impossibble to implement why not just dream up some equally “pipedream” new transmission technology
to transmit power that will never be produced?


41 posted on 10/25/2023 9:05:03 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Sun Tzu: An evil man will burn his own nation to the ground to rule over the ashes. )
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To: CFW
I'll loan then my magic wand.


42 posted on 10/25/2023 9:06:56 AM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: CFW; servo1969
“The real intent isn’t to move from gas to electricity; It’s to get rid of personal automobiles period. Travel will be for the elite, not the commoners.”

I agree 100%. The only thing I like about so-called "green energy" or EV's is if it's done in a decentralized manner, but that's not how the Dims or other globalists push them.

By "decentralized" I mean those of us with solar providing power for our own homes, not solar for the grid. A few of us FReepers have solar with more of a prepper or self-reliance mindset, as opposed to doing it out of cult-like warmageddon beliefs. In my case over the past 12 months solar has provided 81% of all the power I needed for our all-electric home, including all the charging for the EV we did at home. (Of the 28K miles driven in the EV in the past 12 months, 15K of those miles were charged at home. But we just took the EV on a months long 4K mile round trip. Until that trip the running 12-month numbers were about 22K miles charged at home of about 26K miles driven in a year.)

Of course, that's an extreme use of decentralized solar combined with an EV. I've seen other uses of it that were practical (i.e. nock off 50% of a power bill but still have a natural gas bill and drive ICE cars).

But I've seen no practical use of making the grid dependent on solar or wind. Nor would even I have an EV if I wasn't married and needed 2 cars anyway (with the other car being an ICE pickup to handle the drives that an EV won't do, especially if the Dims are successful at making the grid unreliable for charging the EV on trips). That's what scares me about the Dims' push for EV's combined with "green" power.

43 posted on 10/25/2023 9:08:02 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Libloather
Gonna be mighty expensive. I had to buy a lot of copper wire for my solar gear. It's a lot just for a single 500ft roll of #4 stranded copper... and that's not a very large size wire.

This all needs a LOT of sober reflection... but that is something that will not happen.. fools rush in...

I have this type of 4 AWG .. it's great for making the short interconnect cables for the battery banks... imagine wiring the world even with this wire that is probably cheap compared to the larger wire that would be needed.


44 posted on 10/25/2023 9:13:35 AM PDT by Bobalu (The political prosecution of Donald Trump marks the official end of US democracy.)
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To: Jonty30

Add to that all the batteries that have to be built for backup for when the sun don’t shine and the wind don’t blow.

And also all the towers they have to build to hang those lines.

Half of the earth is going to be one huge mine.


45 posted on 10/25/2023 9:17:25 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: CFW

No need for long power lines, just put a heavy duty Diesel generator in every EV garage.


46 posted on 10/25/2023 9:21:06 AM PDT by null and void (The Democrats want denser housing with denser people living in them.)
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To: Jonty30

A half of mile of power lines for every human on the planet in 2050. That does not seem right.... A mile for every 10 I can almost accept. I put in 1/2 mile of private powerlines for 10k with new poles, transformer, wire and hardware. The new occupants are 66% likely to be urban, they need a battery and a solar panel each (500W).


47 posted on 10/25/2023 9:21:23 AM PDT by protoconservative (Been Conservative Before You Were Born )
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To: ShadowAce
Well, if Nikola Tesla had his way, that's exactly what we'd have.

With people crying about microwatts of 5G phone signals turning them into cancer-ridden werewolves, just imagine if the power company had to beam 5000 watts through the air for you to run your dryer or oven.

48 posted on 10/25/2023 9:24:19 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Democrats' version of MAGA: Making America the Gulag Archipelago. Now with "Formal Deprogramming")
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To: aquila48

Instead of physical batteries, why not build pump storage facilities where water is pumped and stored at significant elevation in man-made reservoirs by the wind and solar running the pumps upward and released through turbines to provide the energy when needed? We have a huge one by Ludington, MI on Michigan’s West coastline with Lake Michigan.


49 posted on 10/25/2023 9:26:10 AM PDT by desertsolitaire (w)
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To: CFW

There is no need for transmission lines.

Tesla winks


50 posted on 10/25/2023 9:26:34 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: Iron Munro

That has actually been ‘thought’ about.

Nicolai Tesla wanted to ‘beam energy’ from tall towers directly to homes and businesses.

That idea has been revived in recent years.

Microwave energy beamed to cars and homes...................


51 posted on 10/25/2023 9:26:40 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: CFW

And no one thought about that ahead of time?


52 posted on 10/25/2023 9:28:15 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: central_va

Somewhere abroad. Biden practically banned new coper investments in the USA. And building new smelter? Fughetabotit!


53 posted on 10/25/2023 9:28:38 AM PDT by AZJeep
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To: William of Barsoom

Won’t be a tree left in the country after all are turned into power poles.


54 posted on 10/25/2023 9:28:58 AM PDT by oldasrocks
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To: alancarp

Better yet invest in copper miners.

https://www.fool.com/investing/stock-market/market-sectors/materials/metal-stocks/copper-stocks/

And BTW, pennies are no longer made out of copper.


55 posted on 10/25/2023 9:29:17 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: CFW

Reality dawns. How annoying.


56 posted on 10/25/2023 9:29:30 AM PDT by Chgogal (Welcome to Fuhrer Biden's Weaponized Fascist Banana Republic! It's the road to hell.)
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To: CFW

They are trying to sign up landowners around here for solar farms. The biggest factor is proximity to existing electrical substations, so I don’t quite follow the need for all new lines.


57 posted on 10/25/2023 9:30:19 AM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: Boogieman

The envirowackos have already nixed this idea. It would screw up the bats from finding bugs, the whales would get lost, electric eels, well.... you know.


58 posted on 10/25/2023 9:34:45 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't be an attention ho. Country Music Stars aren't given Grammys by the retarded, "woke" left. )
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To: CFW
“As mining expert and Utah-based lawyer B.F. Randall explains, electricity has a property that makes it more of a service than a commodity. It has to be produced almost the moment it's consumed.

Wind and solar provide energy intermittently, according to when the wind is blowing or the sun is shining, which may or may not align with demand.

Solar production, for example, diminishes in the evening when demand starts to climb, which is why the operators of the Texas grid this summer requested people conserve during those hours. Wind energy typically fails at the same time.”

That is why solar and wind should NEVER EVER be in a firm supply portfolio.

59 posted on 10/25/2023 9:34:50 AM PDT by Chgogal (Welcome to Fuhrer Biden's Weaponized Fascist Banana Republic! It's the road to hell.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Funny how they’ll tolerate any inconvenience imaginable for humans, in the name of “saving the planet”, but if a single bug or critter would be affected, I guess we just have to let the planet burn.


60 posted on 10/25/2023 9:45:27 AM PDT by Boogieman
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