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To: Miami Rebel
Define winning for Ukraine. We left one endless war in Afghanistan to immediately enter another one in Ukraine. We are squandering hundreds of millions of dollars on Ukraine, money we must borrow. We ran a $2 trillion budget deficit in FY2023 and are on track to add another $2 trillion in FY2024. We spent in FY 2023 over $750 billion on debt servicing costs alone, almost as much as DOD's budget. In FY2024 debt servicing costs will be over one trillion dollars. We are the world's biggest debtor nation.

Read the following article from prominent Neocon, Frederick Kagan, the brother in law of Victoria Nuland, Weakness Is Lethal: Why Putin Invaded Ukraine and How the War Must End

"Past is prologue. A ceasefire or negotiation format freezing the conflict along the current lines, which are far more advantageous to Russia than the pre-2022 lines were, will be in Putin’s eyes nothing more than a kind of Minsk III—a new mechanism by which to continue to pursue the same aims. Such a “peace” will be no peace at all. It will simply be an opportunity for Russia to rebuild its military and economic power, allow the West’s attention to be distracted, and seek to regenerate and benefit from cracks within Ukrainian society until it can resume its attacks."

"An enduring end to the current Russian war on Ukraine requires forcing Putin to accept defeat. He—and his successors—must be made to realize that they cannot impose their will on Ukraine and the West militarily, cannot suborn Ukraine politically, and cannot prevail diplomatically. As long as the Kremlin cherishes the hope of success—which any face-saving compromise settlement would fuel—it will continue to seek to overcome its setbacks in ways that make renewed war very likely."

Ukraine and the West should seek a permanent end to this conflict, not a temporary respite. Renewed war will likely be larger in scale and even more dangerous to Ukraine and the West. It will be extremely costly as well since a renewed war once Moscow has rearmed and prepared will likely be far costlier and more dangerous. Demands to reduce the financial burden of supporting Ukraine now simply store up greater risk and expense for the future.

There is no path to real peace other than helping Ukraine inflict an unequivocal military defeat on Russia and then helping to rebuild Ukraine into a military and society so strong and resilient that no future Russian leader sees an opportunity like the ones Putin misperceived in 2014 and 2022. This path is achievable if the West commits to supporting Ukraine in the prolonged effort likely needed to walk down it. If the West is instead lured by the illusion of some compromise, it may end the pain for now, but only at the cost of much greater pain later. Putin has shown that he views compromise as surrender, and surrender emboldens him to reattack. This war can only end not when Putin feels that he can save face, but rather when he knows that he cannot win.

67 posted on 10/25/2023 9:14:20 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

“Define winning for Ukraine.”

Oh, please. Stop, just stop.

I’m not an “expert” nor do I purport to be one.

My guess as to what Ukrainian victory will look like is no better than yours. (Kidding. It’s probably better than yours.)

But while I’m no expert, at least unlike the Colonel I haven’t been dead effing wrong since February 24, 2020, so maybe I’m the one Carlson should be interviewing.

P.S. Our aid to Ukraine is a small percentage of our defense budget but has had the most bang for the buck in hobbling an enemy since Fat Man and Little Boy.


84 posted on 10/25/2023 9:50:40 AM PDT by Miami Rebel
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