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To: kabar
For me the mid-east has always been a huge cluster and near impossible to even understand unless you are one of the aggrieved parties. My take has always been to get the hell out of there and don't go back.

both Israel and Ukraine perfect examples. As long as Zelensky is heading up the country and getting all kinds of money to launder I question whether he will ever want peace? Much less a peace that makes him the winner and Putin the loser. I don't see that happening.

As for Putin I think he and Trump could negotiate a peace treaty in no time but I don't know anyone else who could. Once again we need the return of Trump.It's the only answer I see for the region. Biden is only there for obama who is oriented toward muslims not the US. All the players in the region know it as well. He will do obamas bidding and it won't be helpful to us.

So it looks like a no-win situation to me regardless of what we do. Under obama/biden iran will only get stronger not so if Trump returns. I wish I had answers but I don't. One of the worst things to come is when Israel finally has to do battle with terrorists in the tunnels. No way at all to tell how that will end if it ever does.

60 posted on 10/22/2023 8:57:49 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT)
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To: rodguy911
For me the mid-east has always been a huge cluster and near impossible to even understand unless you are one of the aggrieved parties. My take has always been to get the hell out of there and don't go back.

Quicksand. The more we struggle to find solutions, the deeper we get. Trump offered an entirely different approach that was generating real change. He decided to bypass the Palestinians and the conventional wisdom. He moved our Embassy to Jerusalem, recognized Israel's control of the Golan Heights, cut off funding to the PLO, and initiated the Abraham Accords that offered a modus vivendi for the region. Essentially, Trump moved on from the Palestinians making them more and more irrelevant. It was working until Biden started undoing it.

both Israel and Ukraine perfect examples. As long as Zelensky is heading up the country and getting all kinds of money to launder I question whether he will ever want peace? Much less a peace that makes him the winner and Putin the loser. I don't see that happening.

The only way the conflict ends is thru negotiation. The idea that Putin or any Russian leader admits defeat is ludicrous. Ukraine can't displace the Russians from Crimea or the Donbas. And NATO will not admit them during a war, if ever. Ukraine was one of poorest countries in Europe and the second most corrupt after Russia before the war. No one gets to be President of Ukraine who is not corrupt. It goes with the job. We can't afford to fund the war in Ukraine and then rebuild it afterwards. Support for the war in the US and Europe will continue to decline the longer it goes on.

As for Putin I think he and Trump could negotiate a peace treaty in no time but I don't know anyone else who could. Once again we need the return of Trump.It's the only answer I see for the region. Biden is only there for obama who is oriented toward muslims not the US. All the players in the region know it as well. He will do obamas bidding and it won't be helpful to us.

The Art of the Deal. Trump would not hesitate to use his leverage over Zelensky to force negotiations. And Putin would like to end this disaster, which is hurting Russia badly. In that regard, Trump would have some leverage over Russia. There are plenty of carrots and sticks.

So it looks like a no-win situation to me regardless of what we do. Under obama/biden iran will only get stronger not so if Trump returns. I wish I had answers but I don't. One of the worst things to come is when Israel finally has to do battle with terrorists in the tunnels. No way at all to tell how that will end if it ever does.

I watched a Bannon interview with Erik Prince. He hinted that there are other solutions being discussed for the tunnels, but he declined to go any further. I can see the use of robots, water, certain gas agents that would not kill but immobilize, etc. The Israeli's can minimize personnel losses and protect the hostages. They don't have to storm the tunnels or use MOABs.

64 posted on 10/22/2023 9:26:05 AM PDT by kabar
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To: rodguy911
The Middle East will most likely go up in (nuclear ??) flames at some point. There does not appear to be any adult supervision among the muslims, and the constant violent bickering among each other will eventually touch off a total disaster.

Will the entire region glow in the dark and be avoided for 100 years or more? Most likely, unless some entrepreneur can develop a process to reduce the length of time it takes for a nuclear disaster to become environmentally neutral.

The larger question is, can the rest of the world avoid the same result, or has the spread of irrational muslim behavior reached the tipping point?

107 posted on 10/22/2023 2:15:28 PM PDT by Bernard ("No matter where you go, there you are." (Buckaroo Banzai))
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