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To: ansel12
You fell for some lefty who wanted to include fighter pilot George W.

The definitions that I provided were from the "urban dictionary" which often has more accurate definitions in this type of slang language than other sources... and it certainly has little if anything to do with "George W".

Lindsay was in the Air Force but never learned to fly, be part of a flight crew, or even participate in maintenance operations. He was a lawyer. There is a big difference between his experience and that of either President Bush, who both learned to fly fighter planes. I am an aviation enthusiast and live on an airport with our airplanes. Flying fighter aircraft is a hazardous occupation regardless of whether one flew them in actual combat.

You provided no link, but your definition seems to be similar to the Merriam-Webster version which is probably the least accurate to the actual usage.

A person who was recognized as a military officer for 30 years but never saw any action resembling combat or by his own words was never deployed yet has a long history of calling for others to put themselves in harm's way is considered by most to be one of the most odious examples of a “chickenhawk”. To deny this one would has to be intentionally obtuse.

I do not mean any disrespect to you, but those who were members of the military for an extended period of time through various international conflicts but never participated in any form of combat or managed to avoid ever being in harm's way... are considered to be the same as “firefighters” who never fought any fires. Those who have been in the military but never participated in any form of combat or were never put in harm's way are not considered by most to have been in “active service”.

Here is the Oxford definition:

chick·en hawk
/ˈCHikən hôk/
nounUS
noun: chickenhawk
1. a hawk of a type that is reputed to prey on domestic fowl.
“chicken hawks and peregrine falcons are on the hunt”
INFORMAL
an older man who seeks younger men or boys as sexual partners.
“the chicken hawks who want to find someone young hang out there”
2. INFORMAL
a person who speaks out in support of war yet has avoided active military service.
“rich chicken hawks stay well away from any real fighting”

83 posted on 10/17/2023 1:31:01 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: fireman15

LOL, you are even weirder than I thought, that was some bizarre and nutty stuff.

You don’t know anything about military service or what a chickenhawk is, but your talk on military service was truly bizarro land.


84 posted on 10/17/2023 3:36:47 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: fireman15

I know what some of the confusion is, you are using a phrase that I have never heard any military person or veteran use, “active service”.

American veterans don’t talk like that, the American military doesn’t talk like that, are you British?

I never heard it during the Vietnam War, or at any veteran’s hospital in different states, or in any veteran’s organization (again in different states).

Active service definition in American English
Collins Dictionary
https://www.collinsdictionary.com › dictionary › activ...
Someone who is on active service is taking part in a war as a member of the armed forces. [mainly British]. In April 1944 he was killed on active service.


96 posted on 10/17/2023 9:01:58 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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