Posted on 10/14/2023 6:52:34 AM PDT by BusterDog
Let us try to describe one of the possible scenarios of further escalation in the Middle East. The Palestinian uprising begins in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Mahmoud Abbas cannot contain the situation, and seeing Israel carrying out a full-blown genocide in the Gaza Strip, the Palestinians launch an all-out revolt.
The IDF continues to massacre civilians in the Gaza Strip. There are growing protests around the world against Western pro-American liberal elites standing unanimously in favor of Israel. Hezbollah gets involved and crowds of Arabs from Jordan break through the cordons at the border.
The U.S. launches preemptive strikes against Iran, which is increasingly involved in the conflict, and Iran strikes back against Israel. Syria enters the war, attacking the Golan Heights. There is a rapid mobilization of the entire Islamic world. Pro-American Islamic states - Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar etc. - are being forced to join the confrontation on the side of the Palestinians. They are joined by Pakistan, Turkey and Indonesia.
The story of the Taliban sending troops to the Middle East from fake news becomes reality. The black banners of Khorassan are hoisted over the world. Problems between Salafists and traditionalists, including Shiites, fade into the background. The great jihad of the Islamic world against the West and Israel is beginning.
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“The Hamas attack from the Gaza Strip IMO is just the first act of a planned wider war in the Middle east.”
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That’s what I think, too.
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My mother-in-law, lives with, just turned 91 on Thursday. She’s fat, round, happy in her Wal-ee cruise ship Lazy Boy, or playing on line bridge three afternoons a week, or quilting and sewing in her sewing room. Yet, i do care about her.
I cook and feed all of them. I bake pie because punching people is frowned upon. And i still practice relief work, so still working like when i was fifty or sixty.
Still pulling the train.
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dugin is the one that persuaded Putin to attack Ukraine and his Eurasianist vision. So far, it hasn’t worked out the way he predicted in his book Eurasian Mission.
I would like to offer a theory on the 2 Carrier Strike Groups in the Eastern Mediterranean and how potentially vulnerable they might be.
First Hamas will never be eliminated, Israel could kill every Hamas Terrorist in Gaza and in a few years, they would rebuild with new Muslims and keep fighting, until Iran is eliminated nothing will change.
Over the years we’ve seen a number of attacks that would have been considered impossible the day before the attack happened, Dec 7 1941, Sept 11 2001, the attack last Saturday by Hamas.
IMO, the US Navy Strike Groups were built to fight off a naval attack, thru submarines, surface ships, enemy air attacks, anti-ship missiles, etc...
What if the attack on a Carrier was conducted in a manner that was never conceived possible in the past, using assets that are not conventional military.
This is just one scenario I have thought of, suppose a commercial civilian airliner took off from a nearby Muslim country, maybe Emirates Air, Etihad, or some other Muslim Airline, flown by experience Muslim pilots. The plane is squawking as a passenger airliner flying over the eastern Med.
On a clear day, a US Navy Carrier could be seen from 25-30,000 ft, by a Boeing 757 or Airbus A340 or larger jet, fully loaded with fuel traveling at 400-500 mph.
At that speed how long would it take for a plane to reach the surface potentially hitting the carrier in a Kamikaze style attack, maybe 1-2 minutes max.
Certainly the carrier would be tracking the plance, how long would it take for the carrier to take evasive action or launch a counter attack to take down the plane before it hit.
A 30-second delay would be catastrophic. The plane is a passenger jet, it might delay the reaction long enough to allow the jet to hit.
My point, a conventional military attack on a Carrier Strike Group would be impossible, a totally unconventional attack by an enemy who has no problem dying to carry an attack on the USA could succeed.
>> My comment was geared towards the observation that the author of this dreck, Alexander Dugin, whoever he is, is a retard for using that sentence, which is wholly inaccurate hyperbole, along with most of the rest of that diatribe.
Yep. His assumptions and premises are garbage. Why would I put any trust in his analysis and conclusions?
This will eliminate the proxy wars that have existed for decades in Middle East. Hamas will be gone (Zeph 2:). Hezbollah will expose itself and be eliminated as well. I expect some of what Dugan states will take place but it will not lead to wider conflict outside of Middle East. Part of me sees the AlAqsa mosque being destroyed and no more West Bank as well. Israel is better off controlling all the land and eliminating the ‘political’ positions held by Fatah within their own borders. Fatah organization right now appears very similar to our current administration. Feckless
My concern is the aircraft carriers will be used to enforce a no fly zone against Israel at some point. It may also prevent other ‘bad actors’ from engaging long enough for Israel to clean it out for themselves. It will need to be decisive and quick.
Israel called up all those reservists to keep the northern border and the West Bank quiet.
It will be a limited war with 50 to 100 K Palestinian dead and 10 to 20 K Israeli dead before it is all over.
“””I bake pie because punching people is frowned upon. “””
Interesting, I have made decent pies but I know that you can go into them as deeply and as complexly as you choose to and like most people have had the passing thought to master pie making, but like most people, settle for the level of ‘a decent pie’.
Getting into these little personal and focused things like plants, cooking or loading your own ammo, or woodworking, are smart ways for a guy to deal with his private thoughts.
I mean, surly they realize that NO ONE lives with Islam but Islamist.. And sooner or later the muslams will get round to them....probably sooner then later, if they owned all the power and resources of the west... (?)
The Vincennes shot down Iran Air Flight 655.
As far as eliminating Hamas there are some positive aspects to killing off the original members and leadership, the original structure, what follows is rarely as good, and all the killing makes recruitment harder and less selective, if Israel really wipes out Hamas and their civilian support and the city, then that makes it harder for Hamas to get civilian support in the future.
You can still get terrorist members and still get civilian support, but when people see what happens to it all, they will try to avoid helping and would rather the terrorist group move somewhere else. People get skittish and less cooperative, sources dry up, and suppliers and networks grow more wary and expensive.
Scary prophecy if Dugin turns out to be right. If Hezbollah and Iran get involved Israel will suffer serious casualties. And the price of gas in the US will shoot up to $8-$10 a gal and result in huge inflation. Not good for anybody especially if things were to turn nuclear.
After Vincennes shot down a civilian aircraft it likely made the US Navy a little hesitant to make the same mistake again.
Then you have to ask yourself when was the time a U.S. Navy Carrier came under attack while at sea
Remember how many terrorists have we killed in Afghanistan and Iraq over the last 20 years, yet they seem to have no shortage of new recruits, they’re approximately a billion Muslims on the planet that’s a lot of potential recruits who are committed to the cause
Amen, brother!
The discussion certainly is from a fertile mind, the bottom line is....
While the prognosis in the comments are a remote possibility, we don't know how this will unfold -- just like we don't know when our Lord and Savior will drop back in.Mark 13:32-37
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
One thing seems perfectly clear, though. The events unfolding in Israel, along with our response to those events, will not end well for them or for us!
The Navy was prepared and shot down what they thought was a threat, and that was 35 years ago, almost a quarter century ago the sailors were slow and the USS Cole was damaged.
It isn’t like the Navy isn’t at least as aware of the modern threats to its ships as you are.
If you read my post I naturally recognized that there will be replacements and addressed it, did you read that post?
We can all sit here and describe negative possible scenarios but what is your point? Your point seems to be weeping at the helplessness of resisting.
He is a proto-fascist Russian nationalist who is very popular among the pro-Putin club, even though his daughter was killed "playing with hand grenades" to use Putin's terminology.
"In 1980, Dugin joined the "Yuzhinsky circle [ru]", an avant-garde dissident group which dabbled in Satanism, esoteric Nazism and other forms of the occult.[28][29][30] In the group, he was known for his embrace of Nazism which he attributes to a rebellion against his Soviet raising, as opposed to genuine sympathy for Hitler.[31] He adopted an alter ego with the name of "Hans Sievers", a reference to Wolfram Sievers, a Nazi researcher of the paranormal.[32]"
" In 1988, he and his friend Geydar Dzhemal joined the ultranationalist and antisemitic group Pamyat (Memory),[26] which would later give rise to Russian fascism.[39] For a brief period at the beginning of the 1990s he was close to Gennady Zyuganov, leader of the newly formed Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and probably had a role in formulating its nationalist communist ideology.[35][40] In 1993 he co-founded, together with Eduard Limonov, the National Bolshevik Party, whose nationalistic interpretation of Bolshevism was based on the ideas of Ernst Niekisch."
"Dugin disapproves of liberalism and the West, particularly US hegemony.[16] He asserts: "We are on the side of Stalin and the Soviet Union".[46] "
You are wise. Dugin has some very strange ideas, including the desire to form a single homeland for all Russian speaking people that rules over Europe. He has explicitly called for the eradication of Ukraine, since he thinks they are standing in the way of Russian domination.
Excellent discussion. Thanks for posting the link.
I read your post and I’m not disagreeing with you, what I’m doing it throwing out ideas about something that is supposedly impossible, which is to attack a US Carrier.
History has shown us, when something is considered impossible, someone else comes up with a plan that shows it’s not only possible but probable.
You sound like someone who on September 10, 2001 would have looked with disdain at anyone who would suggest, passenger planes could be hijacked and flown into 100-story buildings causing them to collapse and crashed into the pentagon.
You sound like someone who would consider it crazy to suggest on December 6, 1941 it would be possible for another country to attack with overwhelming force Pearl Harbor.
I’m sure many people inside of Israel thought it was impossible for Hamas to infiltrate Israel kill over 1000 citizens by attacking from the ground, fly gliders into Israel and land boats on the coast loaded with terrorists, they became overconfident and lazy and get really hurt.
My point is, a US Navy strike group is not invulnerable for someone who is determined, doesn’t mind losing people, equipment and attacks in unconventional ways as long as the attack is successful.
The USS Cole attack is a perfect example, the US was lazy and overconfident and got attacked by a rubber boat loaded with explosives.
My advice to you, don’t take yourself so seriously and relax and be willing to engage in out of the box discussion, instead of lecturing people.
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