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To: Eleutheria5

The last I heard from Rep. Jordan, in his interview with Greta Van Susteren I think (not sure), he indicated pretty strong opposition to letting Pooty run amok (Star Trek reference - my wording) in Eastern Europe, but demands Biden tell us what the heck the mission is, as opposed to vaguely explained “forever” sending of money, and, he wants better accounting of where the money goes.

Now, this whole focus on the money is a bit disingenuous, because most of US aid has been in the form of weaponry, a lot of it older weaponry not that far from scrapping anyway, and a lot of the real value, whatever it is, is in the bigger weapons. Undoubtedly some smaller weapons do get smuggled out of Ukraine and sold, much to the displeasure of most Ukrainians(!), but there is simply NO evidence that the pricey stuff, like HIMARS, tanks, or howitzers are being trotted off to Africa or wherever to the highest bidder. Until someone can find solid evidence of such activity, such accusations are total BS.

If, say, 15% of what’s sent is “corrupted”, given the magnitude of what’s at stake, only if it makes the difference in whether or not Pooty’s Russia is stopped or not am I hugely concerned. There are far greater issues at hand.*

If part of that 15% got back to the Biden crime syndicate, yes, that’s a big problem, because it would affect his policies. But, again, unless someone can come up with actual solid evidence of current (or since 2020) monies flowing back to Biden (in which case I say turn him over to some average Ukrainian soldiers to be disposed of), people are just spouting their own discreditation.

*Maybe it’s our education system? People just don’t seem to “get” what a breakdown of order in Europe would mean. We can see in the Middle East what US weakness or perceived US weakness can and and may be leading to. Europe, given a little time, is far more dangerous.


207 posted on 10/12/2023 2:31:59 AM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Paul R.

“The last I heard from Rep. Jordan, in his interview with Greta Van Susteren I think (not sure), he indicated pretty strong opposition to letting Pooty run amok (Star Trek reference - my wording) in Eastern Europe, but demands Biden tell us what the heck the mission is, as opposed to vaguely explained “forever” sending of money, and, he wants better accounting of where the money goes.”

Then we’re in agreement. Only lately, prior to the speaker election, he advocated a flat out ‘NO!’ on any aid to Ukraine, which I can’t countenance.


214 posted on 10/12/2023 5:36:57 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Paul R.

“Until someone can find solid evidence of such activity, such accusations are total BS.”

I wouldn’t actually put that past some bad actors in Ukraine just following the tradition of treachery and corruption of their forefathers. But Z proved to the satisfaction of Trump, and also by his actions (arresting an oligarch who had supported his election, refusing to run away like Kharzai did) that he is not like that. People who grew up in the Soviet Union will speculate that that incarceration is fake, and that everything is just a show; they are very cynical with good reason of all matters Eastern Europe, but I believe you have to believe in someone, and I choose to believe in Z as a great hope.

Still, “trust but verify” is common sense. There has to be a damned audit.


215 posted on 10/12/2023 5:43:13 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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