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Reagan wouldn’t recognize Trump-style ‘conservatism’ – a look at how the GOP has changed
theconversation ^ | 10/03/2023 | Karyn Amira

Posted on 10/04/2023 12:19:16 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

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To: ChicagoConservative27

I remember the horrible things they said about Reagan. I lived through them. These people are full of sh*t


41 posted on 10/04/2023 12:49:18 PM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare)
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To: BenLurkin
Reagan wouldn’t recognize the USA in 2023.

That's really the meat of the matter. USA 2023 is vastly different (and worse off in many ways) than USA 1983. The opposition Dems of 1983 were still lefty tools, but had some level of constraint and desire to support Ameria that frankly doesn't exist in the left today. The social fabric and societal standards of 1983 made many things unthinkable then which are sadly accepted openly now. The GOP of 1983 was rather different than the GOP of 2023 because the nation is so much different now.

42 posted on 10/04/2023 12:49:35 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd )
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To: freedomson

Either you were too young have experienced 1980 or you were under a rock.

Reagan was MAGA enough to bring the USSR to its knees.


43 posted on 10/04/2023 12:51:31 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: AzSteven

the long-term effects of affirmative action ...


44 posted on 10/04/2023 12:52:48 PM PDT by bankwalker (Repeal the 19th ...)
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To: Jim W N; ChicagoConservative27
But what Trump doesn’t seem to understand is THE CONSTITUTION CREATED AMERICA!

America created the Constitution.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

"All of us need to be reminded that the Federal Government did not create the States; the States created the Federal Government." ~ Ronald Reagan.

The Constitution created a new Federal government, it did not create the United States.

45 posted on 10/04/2023 12:54:52 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I love how the GOPe/RINO crowd is invoking Reagan. It’s a hoot.

Back in the day they were known as Country Clubers. And they HATED Reagan. They did everything they could to block him. Including running a third party candidate. They despised him.

Now they claim him?!?

Horse poop.


46 posted on 10/04/2023 12:58:18 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: mo

“The bankerz run the borders”

Shhh. You’re not supposed to say anything bad about the bankers.


47 posted on 10/04/2023 12:58:36 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The world is a very different place now than it was in the 1980s. Some of the major changes - like the unabashed triumph of the West in the Cold War and the fall of Communism is in large part due to Ronaldus Magnus.

Also in Reagan’s day, we still had an industrial base.

The massive flood of foreigners had not yet invaded the country.

Liberals (not Leftists but Liberals) believed in free speech and personal liberty. They were against authoritarian federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

In Reagan’s day we stayed out of stupid foreign wars that were not vital to our national security. (Grenada was a 2-3 day exercise).

In Reagan’s day we did not have a 2 tiered legal system - even in majority Democrat jurisdictions.

In Reagan’s day we did not have a titanic national debt well in excess of 100% of GDP.

So Reagan’s policies were quite different. Those were different times.


48 posted on 10/04/2023 1:02:32 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: MNDude

Gun control. Both at the State and Federal level.


49 posted on 10/04/2023 1:03:58 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: OttawaFreeper

David Gergen. Americas Talleyrand. Willing to serve any politician that will feed him.


50 posted on 10/04/2023 1:12:10 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dreams)
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To: freedomson

“maybe if Reagan had MAGAed harder we would have been better off.”

Yes. That amnesty situation was a stinker.


51 posted on 10/04/2023 1:16:31 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("Normal" is never coming back.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

You can bet he was smiling when Trump was in office.


52 posted on 10/04/2023 1:23:56 PM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Reagan would NEVER recognize DEMOCRATS TODAY, AND HOW EVIL THEY ARE!


53 posted on 10/04/2023 1:26:28 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: woodpusher; ChicagoConservative27

Well, the Constitution created the United States of America. Before the Constitution, there was no United States of America (we were a bunch of independent colonies vulnerable to foreign attack). It also created the Federal Government and delegated certain LIMITED and enumerated powers to the feds, mostly in Art. I, Sec. 8.

As the Ninth and Tenth Amendments explain (which few actually read and understand), with the exception of the limited powers delegated by the states to the feds, the states remained sovereign and the people of those states free.

The Constitution created the Free Constitutional Republic of the America.

And that’s a fact Jack.


54 posted on 10/04/2023 1:28:44 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: woodpusher; ChicagoConservative27

Well, the Constitution created the United States of America. Before the Constitution, there was no United States of America (we were a bunch of independent colonies vulnerable to foreign attack). It also created the Federal Government and delegated certain LIMITED and enumerated powers to the feds, mostly in Art. I, Sec. 8.

As the Ninth and Tenth Amendments explain (which few actually read and understand), with the exception of the limited powers delegated by the states to the feds, the states remained sovereign and the people of those states free.

The Constitution created the Free Constitutional Republic of the America.

And that’s a fact Jack.


55 posted on 10/04/2023 1:29:16 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim W N
Well, the Constitution created the United States of America. Before the Constitution, there was no United States of America (we were a bunch of independent colonies vulnerable to foreign attack).

What a ridiculous thing to say. Those "vulnerable" states just whipped ass on ( at the time ) one of the world's superpowers.

56 posted on 10/04/2023 1:32:58 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Jim W N

THe US Constitution created the Federal Govt. Also, there is nothing in it prohibiting unilateral state secession.


57 posted on 10/04/2023 1:34:35 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: BenLurkin
Reagan would clearly recognize that there is no substantive difference between the platform of today's Democrat Party and the American Communist Party ... none! Hence, it's the GOP vs the Democrat/Communist Party ... a distinctly different opponent than the ones Reagan faced ... and defeated!
58 posted on 10/04/2023 1:37:43 PM PDT by glennaro (Never give up ... never give in ... never surrender ... and enjoy every minute of doing so.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
“A very large portion of my party really doesn’t believe in the Constitution.”

Mitt, take Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and a copy of the United States code and all the federal regulations. Then cut out of the last two anything not directly ordered by the first. Then go back through again and cut out anything you claimed to be allowed based on Wickard v. Filburn's obscenely broad interpretation of the Commerce Clause. And don't get the paper wet from all of your laws you had to cut out.

There are probably only a handful of Congressional Republicans who believe in the Constitution that way, and absolutely zero Democrats.

59 posted on 10/04/2023 1:58:53 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Democrats' version of MAGA: Making America the Gulag Archipelago )
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To: KarlInOhio
And don't get the paper wet from your tears for all of your laws you had to cut out.
60 posted on 10/04/2023 2:01:40 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Democrats' version of MAGA: Making America the Gulag Archipelago )
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