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To: rodguy911

Their neighbors are not the same as their own people, no? Why conflate the two?

Ask yourself why didn’t Poland help the Czechs in 1938? Or the Swedes help Denmark and Norway in 1940? Europe has always had nations of complainers who do nothing when it involves their own treasure and lives. That is why we should stop funding everything for them. They need to finally stand on their own feet without Uncle Sugar Sam’s help.

However, why is it so hard to believe people will fight for their own country, and still that country has to draft people also? It has always happened in war.

I do not agree that the Ukrainians are evil. Maybe their leaders are, but the same is true for Russia and even the USA. Zelensky begs for money, but why shouldn’t he when every time he does, the West give in?

Cut the money and let’s see some negotiations.

In my opinion, the best outcome Ukraine will get is: Donbas to the Russians, Russia keeps Crimea, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia back to Ukraine, Russia pays for Ukraine damages via a tax on gas/fuel resold to Europe.

Even Ukraine war supporters say that’s too much, but in my opinion it is logical for them to accept these loses for the end of war. The idea that Russia will wait a few years and attack again is wrong. They’ve been hurt bad by this war, too. I’m not sure they’ll try again, given the blowback.

Of course, none of this will occur.

The war is in a yearlong stalemate. That won’t change.

I predict many more months if not years of the same.


86 posted on 10/01/2023 8:13:57 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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To: Alas Babylon!

I don’t have a clue what will happen in Ukraine. Unless Trump returns than it will be over in weeks.


91 posted on 10/01/2023 8:24:48 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT)
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To: Alas Babylon!
The shooting war has been going on since 2014. If you ignore hundreds of years of political, cultural, religious, linguistic, demographic, and economic ties between Russia and Ukraine, then you can compare this war with other European conflicts. Russia and Ukraine share a 1,500 mile border. Russia doesn’t want Ukraine to join NATO. It is their red line. Will we continue to ignore or disregard that demand?

Ukraine has only been an independent country since December 1991. About 84 percent of eligible voters turned out for the referendum, and about 90 percent of them endorsed independence. Its borders have changed over the years.

In 2010 Yanukovych, a pro-Russian President was elected. He did not favor closer cooperation with NATO and the EU. The US/EU engineered a coup/revolution in 2014 that removed Yanukovych. This spawned the separatist movement in the Donbas and the current ongoing war. In 2014 Russia invaded unopposed and this led to annexation of Crimea.

It is worth noting that separatist movement is closely correlated to the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine and to the election of Yanukovych. Ukrainian nationalists wanted to eliminate Russian as one of the official languages of Ukraine.


97 posted on 10/01/2023 8:40:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Alas Babylon!
The war is in a yearlong stalemate. That won’t change.

I predict many more months if not years of the same.

The war in Ukraine will end when Joe Biden is no longer the President of the United States of America.

145 posted on 10/01/2023 12:27:14 PM PDT by Bernard ("No matter where you go, there you are." (Buckaroo Banzai))
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