Posted on 09/28/2023 8:51:35 AM PDT by CFW
If there were that much potential in a single car battery it would be sufficient cause for banning them outright.
Just gives me tingles all over.
Yeah, no.
No thanks, don’t want one.
EVs are so good for the environment, right?????
Lithium batteries don’t just explode. They catch on fire and are hard to put out. But they don’t explode. And one EV battery catching fire doesn’t cause a chain reaction like having a pile of 500lb bombs with one going off. This story is BS as written. Got people to click on it though.
“EV batteries, not cars. Your comment is as senseless as blaming cars for the oil refinery fires. And by how they all went off instantaneously, authorities are trying to figure out if there was some triggering explosion.
But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a narrative, right?”
So the EV batteries do not catch fire on their own, but instead are caused by a fire or explosion from another source? And just burn hotter which causes the EV car itself to be blamed? Is that what you are saying? I guess it could be true.
So, what is causing the fires on things such as the couple of ships transporting automobiles that have burned and sank into the ocean? Or, the homes that have caught fire in the garage where an EV was parked? Has there being any news stories that pointed to something else other than the EV as the source? Are EVs being blamed needlessly for fires caused by other sources?
What of the EV bus parking area in which the bus seemed to just spontaneously combust and then spread to other EVs? Was it caused by a carelessly tossed cigarette or maybe arson? I’ve seen no follow-up stories stating anything but the EV battery causing the fire.
The above are serious questions. I do not want to go “with a narrative” if there are facts showing other causes of the fires. However, there have been enough instances of EVs catching fire and burning down structures that I’m not yet convinced that they are safe to purchase and park in close proximity to my home.
I sincerely hope the technology gets to the point that purchasing an EV is an environmentally and economically sound idea, and that the vehicles are safe from catching fire or “dropping dead suddenly”. However, I do not think we are yet there and I do not believe the government should be pushing the adoption of EVs on the American people until the questions regarding safety have been answered.
Not in an airport.
Potassium permanaganent is also used in Water Treatment.
Not to mention answering the question: "What's the point?"
I never said EVs heve never caught fire. That’s just deliberately stupid. Sometimes, they spectacularly and seemingly spontaneously catch fire. (They’re WAAAAAAAAYYYY less likely to be in a fire than a gas-powered car, but they’re a little scarier because the cause is often less evident.)
But THIS explosion was very unlike multiple cars exploding. People around the incident seem to think it needed some other explosion; witnesses thought maybe an airplane, but unless their government is lying audaciously, that’s not likely. I’m not 100% sure that mere stacks of batteries couldn’t create so much heat that they couldn’t’ve gone off nearly simultaneously and appear to have formed an explosion, but apparently others more knowledgeable about the explosion THINK that’s not what happened.
The big point is that you’re not going to get this by a spontaneous car fire as the Saudi’s carefully manipulated news template suggests. And yes, the same people who are trying to kill off the American domestic oil industry with complains about global warming and ecocide ARE the same ones who pine for unrealistic fuel alternatives until those alternatives become realistic.
In and of themselves, there's nothing wrong with EVs. The problem is the lithium-ion battery technology they use.
See: INFORMATION FOR FIRST AND SECOND RESPONDERS - EMERGENCY RESPONSE GUIDE (6. In case of fire)
Does a gas-powered car fire require 3,000 to 8,000 gallons of water to extinguish the flames?
Keep in mind that your average fire engine carries between 500 and 750 gallons. So, it could take up to 10 fire engines to put out a single EV fire.
Do the gas-powered car manufacturers recommend that first-responders use either TIC or IR cameras to monitor temperature
USE WATER TO FIGHT A HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERY FIRE. If the battery catches fire, is exposed to high heat, or is generating heat or gases, use large amounts of water to cool the battery. It can take between approximately 3,000-8,000 gallons (11,356-30,283 liters) of water, applied directly to the battery, to fully extinguish and cool down a battery fire; always establish or request additional water supply early. If water is not immediately available, use CO2, dry chemicals, or another typical fire-extinguishing agent to fight the fire until water is available.
NOTE: Tesla does not recommend the use of foam on electric vehicles.
Apply water directly to the battery. If safety permits, lift or tilt the vehicle for more direct access to the battery (see chapter 2). Water may be applied from a safe distance ONLY if a natural opening (such as a vent or opening from a collision) already exists. Do not open the battery for the purpose of cooling it.
Tesla does not recommend placing the vehicle in a large container full of water. The use of a Thermal Imagery Camera or Infrared (TIC or IR) is recommended to monitor battery temperatures during the cooling process. Continue to use water until the battery has reached ambient temperatures or below, indicated by the thermal imagery camera. When utilizing a thermal imaging camera, allow enough time, once the application of water has stopped, to allow for heat within the battery to transfer to the battery enclosure.
Does a gas-powered car fire require up to 24 hours before the source of the fire has cooled enough to be safe from re-ignition?
Battery fires can take up to 24 hours to fully cool. After suppression and smoke has visibly subsided, a thermal imaging camera can be used to actively measure the temperature of the high voltage battery and monitor the trend of heating or cooling. There must be no fire, smoke, audible popping/hissing, or heating present in the high voltage battery for at least 45 minutes before the vehicle can be released to second responders (such as law enforcement, vehicle transporters, etc.). The battery must be completely cooled before releasing the vehicle to second responders or otherwise leaving the incident. Always advise second responders that there is a risk of battery re-ignition. Second responders should be advised to position the vehicle to drain excess water out of the vehicle by tilting or repositioning it. This operation can assist in mitigating possible re-ignition.
Due to potential re-ignition, a Model 3 that has been involved in a submersion, fire, or a collision that has compromised the high voltage battery should be stored in an open area at least 50 feet (15 m) from any exposure.
Does a gas-powered car fire release toxic, noxious fumes?
Similar to conventional and other electric and hybrid vehicles, a burning battery releases super-heated gases and toxic vapors. This release may include volatile organic compounds, hydrogen gas, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, soot, particulates containing oxides of nickel, aluminum, lithium, copper, cobalt, and hydrogen fluoride. Responders should always protect themselves with full PPE, including SCBA, and take appropriate measures to protect civilians downwind from the incident.
FWIW, the white smoke emitted by lithium batteriy fires is rich in hydrogen flouride gas.
Only now, because the car's batteries are on fire, it's being mixed with the water used by the firefighters. Lots and lots of water. (up to 8,000 gallons)
See: Facts About Hydrogen Fluoride (Hydrofluoric Acid)
What hydrogen fluoride is
How hydrogen fluoride works
Long-term health effects of acute exposure to hydrogen fluoride
See: Hydrofluoric Acid
Hydrofluoric acid (HF) differs from other acids because it readily penetrates the skin and dissociates into fluoride ions, causing destruction of deep tissue layers, including bone. Pain associated with skin exposure to HF may not occur for 1-24 hours. (Ed. because it kills the nerve cells) Unless you can rapidly neutralize the HF and bind the fluoride ions, tissue destruction may continue for days and result in limb loss or death. Hydrofluoric acid vapors are also an inhalation hazard and can cause ocular irritation.
Ensure that non-expired calcium gluconate antidote is on hand before handling HF. Always handle HF in a properly functioning laboratory hood and in an area equipped with an eyewash and safety shower. Never work with HF alone.
In addition, they also do not have the safety circuit that prevents overcharging or over-draw.
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