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Ukraine to either surrender on Moscow’s terms or cease to exist — top Russian lawmaker
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Posted on 09/25/2023 3:40:00 AM PDT by hardspunned

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To: FlyingEagle
What would Reagan say?

Reagan on Policing the World: Aiding Freedom Fighters

Reagan supports ‘freedom fighters,’ Feb. 6, 1985

Toward the end of his 4,226-word speech, Reagan said: “And tonight, we declare anew to our fellow citizens of the world: Freedom is not the sole prerogative of a chosen few; it is the universal right of all God’s children. Look to where peace and prosperity flourish today. It is in homes that freedom built. Victories against poverty are greatest and peace most secure where people live by laws that ensure free press, free speech and freedom to worship, vote and create wealth.”

“Our mission,” the president added, “is to nourish and defend freedom and democracy, and to communicate these ideals everywhere we can. America’s economic success is freedom’s success; it can be repeated a 100 times in a 100 different nations.”

“Support for freedom fighters is self-defense,” he concluded.

21 posted on 09/25/2023 5:14:38 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Timber Rattler

It’s going to be a great day indeed when your CIA brethren are disemboweled and thrown in the river Styx.

Enjoy your 30 pieces of silver from the Biden regime, while the world burns.

There is going to be a reckoning and final showdown with the Deep State GloboHomo’s.


22 posted on 09/25/2023 5:16:44 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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To: Timber Rattler
--- "...the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, and World War II...."

Has a declaration or war been made against Russia in Ukraine? Please provide a citation to that effect.

After all, one can cite declarations of war in the three wars you choose to list.

23 posted on 09/25/2023 5:18:05 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Captain Jack Aubrey
We owe Ukraine nothing.

We actually do.

The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances

Ukrainians complete mission in Iraq

More than 5,000 Ukrainian troops have served in Iraq during Ukraine's five years of service in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

"Enduring peace, stability and prosperity are common values to fight for in the modern world. Your mission in Iraq has been successfully completed," said Viktor Nedopas, Charge d'Affairs of the Ukrainian Embassy in Iraq.

The Ukrainians served as the third-largest Coalition forces contingent in Iraq, with about 1,700 soldiers from 2003-2005.

24 posted on 09/25/2023 5:20:44 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Alberta's Child
--- "In my circles of acquaintances and business associates, it's no coincidence that there is almost a 100% overlap among those who were Branch Covidians and those nitwits who are Ukrainian cheerleaders. I suspect it's probably similar here on FR."

A fascinating observation.

To another thread as comment:

The Narrative™ must be defended.

Its components financed by debt are 1) War™, 2) Climate Change™, 3) Transsexual politics™, 4) Health by injections™, and 5) Digital ID™ and Digital Currency™. Resistance is futile....

...but resistance is growing so Manufacture Consent and Falsify Elections and Overwhelm with Messaging. Daily.


25 posted on 09/25/2023 5:21:48 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: hardspunned

Russia to Surrender on Ukraine Terms or Cease to Exist.....

This is the problem. When you turn around Russian statements and threats, you get to the heart of the problem. Russia feel entitled: 1. That’s why they keep invading their neighbors. 2. That’s why they haven’t realized they are wrong. 3. That’s why they haven’t managed to work towards peace.

Maybe Russia wins like they say. If they can’t manage to take Ukraine, they become a depleted laughing stock to the world and the world becomes an unsafe place. If they drag out seeking peace to long, they will be surrounded by angry neighbors.

My advice: Don’t do the ego/LBJ thing and start looking for a peaceful solution.


26 posted on 09/25/2023 5:23:46 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: Timber Rattler

Before the Biden administration decided that the Ukrainian border was to be inviolate but ours wasn’t, when did the Ukraine become the existential element to our own freedom and security?
It’s not and yet another morass, like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan that State and Defense departments demand that American Treasury and yes, eventually American blood will be spilled.
The Ukraine is not part of NATO and we own the Ukrainians nothing but good wishes in their war to redefine their borders.
Let the Europeans resolved their existential threat” and spend less on their social experiments.


27 posted on 09/25/2023 5:26:51 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("A republic, if you can keep it" Benjam Franklin.)
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To: FlyingEagle

Good article.
This is a video from yesterday. Claims Ukr lost about 1000 men (including wia) maybe 20 arty maybe 24 armored vehicles when you add up the whole front.

Day after day after day…it keeps adding.

Go to about the 8 min mark. It’s full of DOZENS of drone strikes, all recorded and all new. They are doing it to each other but clearly Ukr is suffering the most.

We are possibly committing a horrendous injustice against Ukr by supporting them…what? Yes by dragging this war out we are seeing an entire generation of Ukr men and their genetics wiped out.

They could have negotiated with Russ last spring (‘22) and likely would have had peace at the cost of neutrality, and the loss of a 2 eastern provinces. Really a far cheaper price than their annihilation of a whole generation of men, and maybe even their entire country eventually.

☮️

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntc1BIB1Cko


28 posted on 09/25/2023 5:27:44 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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To: hardspunned

I find the whole Ukraine situation utterly ridiculous. The Ukraine population is less than one generation from being genetically Russian such that the distinctions are moot.

The third Obama administration is intentionally pi$$ing money away that is sorely needed here in the USA for infrastructure, border control, so many things. There are hundreds of people in this administration that if we truly had a fair justice system, would pay an extreme price for their part in this fiasco when PDJT takes power.

If the Rs had any sort of backbone there would be actual consequences visited upon any D involved in this. Of course finding a backbone among the R contingent is like Diogenes searching for honesty.


29 posted on 09/25/2023 5:31:54 AM PDT by ByteMercenary (Cho Bi Dung and KamalHo are not my leaders.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Obviously not. THEN it is like Civil war and the Revolutionary war. Then it’s OUR nation and we go to war and don’t count the losses.

see the difference ?
Over here=Our problem, our country.
Over there=not automatically our problem.

Unless you are an internationalist and I say that without insult.


30 posted on 09/25/2023 5:35:40 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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To: Timber Rattler

“Memorandums” are not and do not have the legal weight of treaties, which in this case,did not go through the process of getting approval of the Senate.

The Ukrainians, tricked into given real security with the nuclear weapons they processed, were given assurances that weren’t worth the paper they were written on.


31 posted on 09/25/2023 5:39:06 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("A republic, if you can keep it" Benjam Franklin.)
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To: hardspunned

Save the crocodile tears.

If we let Russia decide that countries will submit or not exist, we and every one of our allies are finished.


32 posted on 09/25/2023 5:40:18 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Phoenix8
Over here=Our problem, our country.

Over there=not automatically our problem.

Historically, that hasn't worked out so well for the U.S...


33 posted on 09/25/2023 5:43:37 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Phoenix8

“...They could have negotiated with Russ last spring (‘22) and likely would have had peace at the cost of neutrality, and the loss of a 2 eastern provinces...”

Spoken like a true Bolshevik. Moscow does not want peace. That is why they invaded the Republic of Georgia and Ukraine and threaten Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and Poland. Even Sweden abandoned is long-standing and cherished neutrality and clamored to join NATO. Putin said, “Russia knows no borders.”

There are thousands of Ukrainian soldiers from those eastern provinces who are fighting to liberate their hometowns from Moscow’s Mohammedans, Buryats, and other demented occupiers.

The Ukrainians have lived under Moscow before and they know what it means. They are a freedom-loving people and they take Patrick Henry’s words seriously, “Give me liberty or give me death”. You are a Bolshevik so you would not understand.


34 posted on 09/25/2023 5:43:51 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (Saludemos la patria orgullosos)
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To: Alberta's Child

They must have a cause for their emotional fulfillment to be complete. It’s a strange, but well understood phenomenon. Next year it will be something else. They go all on in on the cause du jour as if their life depends on it, then move on to the next one like an addict getting a fix.


35 posted on 09/25/2023 5:45:07 AM PDT by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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To: redfreedom

“ Defeat? China is building their military and gaining influence world wide. ”
************

The Russian Federation’s days are numbered. Putin is destined for either exile or death. Following will be the fragmentation of the Federation into possibly four regions under hedgmony of China, Iran, Turkey and the West. Russia will be reduced to the remaining portion on the current western periphery made up of European Russians. Good riddance to the so called Russian Empire….


36 posted on 09/25/2023 5:45:21 AM PDT by snoringbear (,W,E.oGovernment is the Pimp, )
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To: RedMonqey
“Memorandums” are not and do not have the legal weight of treaties, which in this case,did not go through the process of getting approval of the Senate.

Ah, so the solemn word of the U.S.A. is not worth anything, eh?

So why would any foreign country ever accept it again, if such written assurances can be so easily dismissed as mere "scraps of paper"?

37 posted on 09/25/2023 5:45:55 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: hardspunned

If the little dancing grifter was a real leader, he would have prevented war.

He chose grift.

He has now welcomed in:

• Globohomopedos
• Blackrock
• Clinton Foundation
• Satanic Anbassador for child trafficking
• Every Globalist who wants a photo-op
• Victoria Nuland
• And so many more

Now, we will see what the western homosexual loving governments always intended - a false flag they can use to invoke NATO - leading to WWIII and the melting down of the western governments.

Yes… a Zeeper can never see this, being gullible and easily manipulated by the intelligence service 24/7 Uke-propaganda.


38 posted on 09/25/2023 5:49:45 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: hardspunned

Its over, the Nazis are defeated. Took Russia to do it, but its over. Unless of course there’s a major “incident”.


39 posted on 09/25/2023 5:59:09 AM PDT by Chauncey Gardiner (Vivamus stultus ignarus mori )
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To: Timber Rattler
--- "...so the solemn word of the U.S.A. is not worth anything, eh? So why would any foreign country ever accept it again, if such written assurances can be so easily dismissed as mere 'scraps of paper'?"

Perhaps not intended, but you have hit on the issue directly.

Is Biden the "solemn word of the U.S.A.?" Harris? Obama? Clinton? Blinken? Schumer and Pelosi? If the U.S.A. has a solemn word, it is found in our founding documents, not the blathering of Democrats today.

As to the question, "why would any foreign country ever accept it again?" there is an answer. Many nations are not. Ergo the drift into the talked-about multipolar world, as away from a unipolar world. I would expect any nation to resist going under the thumb of a unipolar world authority, whether it be a "world's policeman," a "liberal world order" or a "rules based order," when a nation finds the police exceeding its authority, the "liberal" ordering the world about, or the "rules" makers making rules to favor them over other nations, all of which is happening.

So "written assurances can be so easily dismissed" also applies to sanctioning nations and existing contracts when the offending nation(s) disobey their betters.

If you think this comment is about Russia, you need to examine a full list of the nations around the world who have enjoyed sanctions as in fact "written assurances can be so easily dismissed."

By us, as by them.

40 posted on 09/25/2023 6:14:45 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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