Posted on 09/20/2023 11:21:33 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
It has nothing to do with the Counter Offensive or even winning. It is all about the money .... contractor profiteering, graft, bribes, etc. It’s even so profitable that they are bringing back the Clinton Global Crime Initiative Foundation to suck up large amounts of taxpayer cash.
The GOP should disband if it supports this.
One has to be Ukrainian-level stupid to believe the Budapest memorandum is worth the paper it’s written on.
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Well Ukrainian’s were gentlemen, they trusted America, and that’s why thy honored their part of the deal. And it wasn’t a small part either. They ended their nuclear missiles stocks and programs - this is actually on an historical level!
Shouldn’t America show reciprocity and respect OUR part of that deal?
“Shouldn’t America show reciprocity and respect OUR part of that deal?”
First, you’re not an American so stop claiming it.
Second, AMERICA didn’t agree to jack sh!t. The agreement between Boris, Bill and Ukraine was widely panned by the US Senate, and warned away.
It was never even submitted to the US Senate for ratification...and I don’t think it was submitted to the Russian Duma either.
So stop spreading the lies that the US is bound by treaty to Ukraine, and that you are an American.
Lies.
“With the Air Defense cover dropping and Russian losing Sea Control up to Sevastopol Harbor, the attacks there are likely to accelerate - perhaps this week or next.”
“Ukraine’s military announced on Wednesday (20 Sep) they were successful in a morning attack on the command post of the Russian Black Sea Fleet near Sevastopol in Crimea.”
That was quick.
Zeepers love this.
Mass Ukrainian drone attack on Russian bases in Crimea right now. Reports of 3 Russians ships on fire in Sevastopol.
Second, AMERICA didn’t agree to jack sh!t. The agreement between Boris, Bill and Ukraine was widely panned by the US Senate, and warned away.
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You are utterly wrong, at an epic level.
You ignore the fact that Ukraine got rid of ALL their nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles, for God’s sake.
It is a massive ground-shattering event! It’s not an everyday occurrence! They did it soley on one condition, based on American assurances to be protected.
This is exactly what Americas non-proliferation policy is all about!! America got exactly what it wanted.
And now, you want to dishonor America by ignoring and contradicting our very own nuclear non-proliferation policies!?
For ONCE we actually have a country respecting -to the letter- its deal with the USA we should celebrate it.
God, who are you? You sound anti-American down to the bone.
You want America to behave like a thug, disrespecting anything it signs.
If you and I had a business contract to sign one day, knowing you mock signatures, I would certainly not sign to anything with you. You are a contract-ripper. It’s your ideology apparently.
Nobody here gives a sh!t about your imaginary binding agreement. Because the USA did not agree to ANYTHING.
Bill Clinton did.
Take it up with him.
The fact that Ukraine was stupid enough to not demand a treaty from both the US and Russia is on them AND NOBODY ELSE.
Now tell your bosses to read a basic American civics primer so they don’t do something stupid again.
KYIV, Sept 11 (Reuters) - Ukraine’s military said on Monday Russia could launch a big mobilisation campaign soon to try to recruit hundreds of thousands of soldiers from inside Russia and occupied Ukraine.
The Ukrainian General Staff provided no evidence in a statement to support its assertion. Russian officials have said there are no current plans for a new wave of mobilisation and that Moscow is focused on recruiting professional soldiers.
Translation: They don’t want to recruit Muscovites and Petrograd-ians, and they’re all out of provincial ethnics. So they can’t do more general mobilizations right before their election season. Just professional soldiers. And the paratroopers are filling in as infantry to attempt to retake Robotyne.
Robotyne is on the east side of the Dnieper, and the Ukrainians punched through the Russian first line of defense to get to it.
“There STILL are no American interests in Ukraine.”
Ukraine may win or may lose. Wars have ups and downs and the ultimate outcome is unpredictable. Either way, Russia will not be invading any neighboring former Republics and satellites again any time soon, and China will think twice before attacking Taiwan, but may be looking hungrily at Siberia, a former territory of theirs.
[USA-FRANCE #9] Also, Ukraine is officially Americas ally since we signed the Budapest Memorandum in 1994 in order to protect their sovereignty against Russia. Even Russia signed it![USA-FRANCE #44] Well Ukrainian’s were gentlemen, they trusted America, and that’s why thy honored their part of the deal. And it wasn’t a small part either. They ended their nuclear missiles stocks and programs - this is actually on an historical level!
As I previously explained to you in great detail a few days ago, the Budapest Memorandum was not a Treaty or binding agreement on the part of anybody, and its purpose was not to guarantee the sovereignty of Ukraine; but giving up the nukes was a condition precedent imposed upon Ukraine jointly by Russia and the United States in order to receive official recognition. Ukraine had agreed and bound itself to get rid of the nukes in 1992 with the Lisbon Protocol. According to Volodmyr Vasylenko, Ukraine’s former representative at NATO, who took part in drawing up the conceptual principles and specific provisions of the Budapest memorandum: “Ukraine had to give up nuclear weapons for it to become sovereign state and its independent status to be recognized all over the world.” As Ukrainian President Kravchuck stated, "All the control systems were in Russia. The so-called black suitcase with the start button, that was with Russian president Boris Yeltsin. ... Additionally, the West threatened Ukraine with isolation since the missiles were supposedly aimed at the United States." Therefore, "the only possible decision" was to give up the weapons, according to Kravchuk.
Moreover, Ukraine did not first agree to get rid of the nukes with the Budapest Memorandum. Ukraine signed in agreement to the Lisbon Protocol of May 23, 1992 to adhere to the Non-Proliferation Treaty in the shortest possible time. The Protocol and the correspondence of President GHW Bush leave no room for misunderstanding. Ukraine delayed and delayed and tried to submit a partial surrender of nukes which was met by a refusal to even receive it. Then they got their mind right and signed for recognition. The United States and Russia joined in turning the screws on Ukraine to get rid of the nukes.
https://2009-2017.state.gov/documents/organization/27389.pdf
START Treaty
LISBON PROTOCOL of May 23, 1992
Protocol to the Treaty between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on the Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms
ARTICLE VThe Republic of Byelarus, the Republic of Kazakhstan, and Ukraine shall adhere to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons of July 1, 1968 as non-nuclear weapon states Parties in the shortest possible time, and shall begin immediately to take all necessary action to this end in accordance with their constitutional practices.
Letter from US President G. H. W. Bush to Ukrainian President L. Kravchuk, June 23, 1992
Dear Mr. President:On May 23 in Lisbon, five nations signed a protocol which opened the way for all five to ratify and become parties to the START Treaty. This historic accomplishment recognizes the essential role of Ukraine in fulfilling the obligations of the former Soviet Union under the Treaty. Imlementation of the START Treaty will enhance stability by substantially reducing nuclear weapons and strategic offensive arms and by laying a foundation for further reductions. The United States looks forward to working with Ukraine as a full and equal partner in implementing the Treaty and reducing the burden of nuclear weapons that are a legacy of the former Soviet Union.
As part of this agreement, Ukraine will adhere to the Non-Proliferation Treaty in the shortest possible time. This is an important step along the path laid out in the statement of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine on the non-nuclear status of Ukraine. When the Non-Proliferation Treaty was negotiated in 1968 the United States formally declared its intention to seek immediate action in the United Nations Security Council to provide assistance to any non-nuclear weapons state party that is the object of aggression or threats of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used. Mr. President, let me formally state that the United States stands by that commitment to Ukraine.
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https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/sites/default/files/documents/qviw5v-c5kmg/28.pdf
Letter from President George H. W. Bush to President Leonid Kravchuk via Privacy Channels. December 4, 1992.Over the past year, the United States and its partners have welcomed Ukraine into the western community of nations. Ukraine is a party to csce and the CFE treaty, and a member of the North Atlantic Cooperation Council. Ukraine has demonstrated its commitment to peace by the bravery of your peacekeepers now on duty in Bosnia. Ukraine's pledge in its declaration of sovereignty to be a non-nuclear state has been particularly welcomed throughout the world.
The Budapest Memorandum's non-binding assurance given to Ukraine was:
4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.
United Nations Security Council (UNSC) action was sought and Ukraine received such UNSC action as it is likely to get. As Ukraine and the rest of the world well knew when Ukraine signed the NPT and the Memorandum, Russia holds a Security Council veto.
Security "assurances" are non-binding political promises, unlike the legally enforceable "guarantees" of treaties. It is like the difference between a pinky swear and an enforceable contract. And the assurance was to refer any non-nuclear aggression to the UN Security Council.
“Nobody here gives a sh!t about your imaginary binding agreement. Because the USA did not agree to ANYTHING.
Bill Clinton did.”
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We may not like Bill Clinton, but he was nevertheless the POTUS at that time. Internationally he was the number one representative of America.
If I follow your logic, every time Trump will sign something for America when he becomes president again next year, well that would just be seen as non-binding “Trump signature” having nothing to do with America... Right?
Is that really the predicament you want Trump to endure??
You must come back to reality.
“Security “assurances” are non-binding political promises”
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We know that the Budapest Memorandum is non-binding strictly in a lawyers eyes.
Don’t limit this to a simple “legal” problem.
In reality the Budapest Memorandum is a political mastodont and has MASSIVE political and diplomatic weight and importance - to such an immense degree that it far outpaces the “non-binding” issue.
It has to do with America’s strong nuclear anti-proliferation policy, it’s a high priority for America.
The thing is, Ukraine DID in fact decidedly ACT on America’s demand of abandoning all its nuclear arsenal. They finally got rid of it ONLY because of Americas assurances to protect its security.
The huge political cost for America to blatantly violate such an agreement (even if non-binding) is way too high!
Why? Because it would signal to all the countries in the world that America is honorless about any important commitments it does, especially when it comes to nuclear non-proliferation policies. America would lose everyone’s trust in the matter. And THAT is not good for America’s interests, to say the least...
Grow up and edify yourself.
No American president can bind the USA in international treaty unilaterally.
Not Clinton and not Trump.
It is the design of the US Constitution.
You would know that if you were an American.
No.
We know that the Budapest Memorandum is non-binding strictly in a lawyers eyes.
Don’t limit this to a simple “legal” problem.
In reality the Budapest Memorandum is a political mastodont and has MASSIVE political and diplomatic weight and importance - to such an immense degree that it far outpaces the “non-binding” issue.
It has to do with America’s strong nuclear anti-proliferation policy, it’s a high priority for America.
The thing is, Ukraine DID in fact decidedly ACT on America’s demand of abandoning all its nuclear arsenal. They finally got rid of it ONLY because of Americas assurances to protect its security.
The huge political cost for America to blatantly violate such an agreement (even if non-binding) is way too high!
Why? Because it would signal to all the countries in the world that America is honorless about any important commitments it does, especially when it comes to nuclear non-proliferation policies. America would lose everyone’s trust in the matter. And THAT is not good for America’s interests, to say the least...
Dear Ms. or Mrs. W(R)ong:
The counteroffensive is not failing and who invited you to be a spokeswoman for conservatism?
Breitbart, always anti-Trump, is a snake in the grass that should no longer be allowed here.
Nonsense gibberish from fantasy island.
It doesn’t mean anything to any American.
But you’re not an American.
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