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Ukrainian Tactics Put Russia on the Defensive in the Black Sea
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Posted on 09/20/2023 8:14:52 AM PDT by Brilliant

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To: Paul R.

Sub wasn’t destroyed but just damaged. Russian subs have 2 hulls. Internal is hard and external is soft. Soft is covered by rubber to fight sonar pulses. This rubber catched some fire in a dock. It is simply replaceable.


41 posted on 09/20/2023 5:59:10 PM PDT by nickfrost1
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To: freeandfreezing

Defeating Russia in Ukraine will save us trillions of dollars in defense spending in the future.==

There will not be a defeat of Russia but just spendings of trillions in a future.

America just invests here into China-Russia alliance instead. This alliance will not help into the defense of America but opposite will fire up new Cold War.


42 posted on 09/20/2023 6:03:28 PM PDT by nickfrost1
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To: nickfrost1

“ Can you ever recall any case in the past when Russia payed any reparation to anyone?”

World War I. Russians agreed to pay reparations to the Central Powers when Russia exited the war in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk.

“They are no ship-to-ship battles because ukies have no ships”

They have drones and missiles, and effectively drove the Russian Black Sea Fleet out of Stevastopol just today (20 September 2023). The subs of the Black Sea Fleet are all gone from port, and the parking lots are full as the surface combatants are readying to get underway, after the biggest Ukrainian drone and cruise missile strike of the war.

Ukrainians sank the Russian Flagship, the Moskva. Soon after the Admiral Makarov took over as Flagship last year it too was struck, and has not been back to sea since.

In just the last weeks, several Russian ships were taken out. The $300 Million Kilo-class Attack Submarine, the Rostov on Don, was completely destroyed, as was the large landing ship, the Minsk. The patrol ships Sergei Kotov and Vasily Bykov were both hit, and the Kotov may have sunk with 80 hands on board. Other landing ships, oil tankers and cargo ships carrying arms (the Sparta2) have also been hit.

The sea battle has changed dramatically over the last month, as Ukrainian forces captured the Boyko oil platforms that provided Sea monitoring and control in the Western Black Sea (between Snake Island and Stavastopol), and took out the S-400 Air Defense Systems along the West Coast of Crimea (23 Aug and 15 Sep).

The reserve (alternate) Black Sea Fleet HQ was hit today (20 Sep), while the top Commanders were there for a meeting.


43 posted on 09/21/2023 1:40:11 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

World War I. Russians agreed to pay reparations to the Central Powers when Russia exited the war in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk.==

Didn’t pay a penny. NEVER.

The $300 Million Kilo-class Attack Submarine, the Rostov on Don, was completely destroyed, as was the large landing ship, the Minsk. ==

Was damaged but not destroyed. And they both were in docks not operational.

The sea battle has changed dramatically over the last month, as Ukrainian forces captured the Boyko oil platforms ==

Also not operational platforms. No crews on them. They are empty. And ukies already retreated from platforms after SU30 hit their boats by cluster bomb.

took out the S-400 Air Defense Systems along the West Coast of Crimea (23 Aug and 15 Sep).==

Just 1 launcher emptied was damaged out true AFTER it launched all its missiles and shot down ukies airbornes. 1 of 4 for S400 complex.

The reserve (alternate) Black Sea Fleet HQ was hit today (20 Sep), while the top Commanders were there for a meeting.==

This one is a pure lie. Nothing like this happened.


44 posted on 09/21/2023 1:51:41 AM PDT by nickfrost1
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To: nickfrost1

“The reserve (alternate) Black Sea Fleet HQ was hit today (20 Sep)”

The 744th Communications Center of the Black Sea Fleet Command, in the Vicinity of Verkhniosadove, North of Sevastopol, East of Belbeck Air Base.


45 posted on 09/21/2023 3:19:30 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: nickfrost1

(Rostov on Don) “damaged but not destroyed”

The hull is breached on the side, bow and stern. The missile entered the side, and the blast wave and fire passed through the ship (through the control room), and blew out through the front and back. Cheaper to build a new one than to repair that one.


46 posted on 09/21/2023 3:54:38 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: nickfrost1

Also disabled in a recent Ukrainian strike, the Bora-class guided missile corvette, the Samum, right near the entrance to Sevastopol port.

The last 30 days has been a bloodbath for the remnants of Russia’s Black Sea flotilla.

All because Putin was such a fool. He has destroyed the Russian Military and economy, and ensured that Ukrainians will hate Russians for a hundred years.


47 posted on 09/21/2023 4:07:57 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: nickfrost1

Also struck, the Olenegorsky Gornyak, a Russian Navy landing ship, right in the harbor at Novorossiysk. Towed away listing.


48 posted on 09/21/2023 4:17:40 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: nickfrost1

Fuel depot in Sochi exploded and burned for hours.


49 posted on 09/21/2023 4:29:29 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: nickfrost1

Uh, if you knew what you were looking at, that’s an explosion from inside the sub. It’d be cheaper to just build a new one.


50 posted on 09/21/2023 5:34:44 AM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: nickfrost1

“ The reserve (alternate) Black Sea Fleet HQ was hit today (20 Sep), while the top Commanders were there for a meeting.”==

“This one is a pure lie. Nothing like this happened.”

Here is the satellite imagery of the bomb damage, liar:

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1704805090643624346


51 posted on 09/21/2023 6:40:58 AM PDT by BeauBo
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Here is the satellite imagery of the bomb damage, liar:==

The image of what? Didn’t you ever look closely what you post? You said it is a some HQ. But your image says that it is a some kind of hangar or warehouse not building or something.


52 posted on 09/21/2023 10:11:29 AM PDT by nickfrost1
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To: ConservativeInPA

Did Putin promise us he has no more territorial ambitions?


53 posted on 09/21/2023 11:24:59 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: nickfrost1

“Nothing like this happened.”

Obviously, something like this did.


54 posted on 09/21/2023 3:00:23 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

Obviously, something like this did.==

Ukies destroyed some warehouse Of Russia but nothing like a building of any HQ. It is obvious by looking onto your photo.


55 posted on 09/21/2023 8:11:36 PM PDT by nickfrost1
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To: nickfrost1

“Ukies destroyed some warehouse Of Russia but nothing like a building of any HQ. It is obvious”

Russian official says Ukraine struck Black Sea navy HQ in Crimea’s Sevastopol
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2023/09/22/Russia-says-Ukrainian-missile-two-drones-destroyed-near-Crimea

..according to the Russian appointed governor Mikhail Razvozhayev.


56 posted on 09/22/2023 3:58:22 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: nickfrost1

Oops, the link in post 56 concerns the more recent strike on the main Black Sea Fleet HQ building in downtown Sevastopol, not the one a few days earlier on their alternate HQ building (the one from the satellite image I provided you earlier).


57 posted on 09/22/2023 6:53:51 AM PDT by BeauBo
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the link in post 56 concerns the more recent strike on the main Black Sea Fleet HQ building in downtown Sevastopol==

Empty building because in war time the HQ staff sits in underground bunker beneath town which was built long long ago.

So building was closed and except security none was there. And ukies perfectly know this. But they ordered strike of empty building by PR-purpose.

Seems like ukies run PR-war instead of real one.


58 posted on 09/22/2023 1:20:47 PM PDT by nickfrost1
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To: Brilliant

Whoop Tee Doo doo!


59 posted on 09/22/2023 1:22:42 PM PDT by dforest
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To: nickfrost1

They keep reporting their same strikes over and over to make people think there are new ones.


60 posted on 09/22/2023 1:24:24 PM PDT by dforest
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