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To: odawg

Yeah. Actually, he is conservative! Staunch conservative! His record says it! his rhetoric says it! The hatred of him from the left says it. I notice yall love to claim that everybody else in Politics is a RINO. There are the staunchest of conservative that- like DeSantis, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Clarence Thomas, et al, that yall have started calling establishment and Rinos. Just because you dislike somebody running against a candidate you favor or voicing a quality they don’t like about your candidate, does not make somebody a Rino. Rinoism isn’t determined by unquestioning loyalty to an election candidate. It’s determined by the positions taken on important issues- most centrally being the stances taken on legal & illegal immigration, shrinking middle class, job prospects for US citizens, trade, national sovereignty & international institutions encroaching on American citizens. The biggest issues it deals with is third world immigration, cheap labor and the resulting loss of well paid, middle class American jobs & cultural unity. Lately, it also includes opposition to neocon foreign policy & wars.

It’s a commentary about issues that the establishment (Democrat & Republican) instituted in better times, when most others weren’t looking. They were policies that only benefitted the elites & the establishment. Now that we are no longer in good times, the populace has taken notice and is in full opposition to those policies. The establishment is trying everything it can to stay in power & is paying off people to support their way of thinking.

What it is not is a flippant term to be waved around by one candidates devoted sect against another person or candidate because you prefer someone else. You don’t get to equate those two things. Being a conservative comes down to philosophy, ethics, morality, temperament. It follows a basic standard depending on its society. For us, it is almost exclusively traditionalist in its moral stances and religious faith, constitutionalist in it governing philosophy, market oriented in its economic stances & libertarian in its insistence on freedom.

So far as I can tell from his record in Florida & elsewhere, Ron DeSantis is to Trumps right by any of those measures. He has been solidly against and has strongly opposed to the elites stances on the issues mentioned earlier. He wants illegal immigration stopped & legal immigration reduced. He supports a border wall & huge increases in funds for border security & deportation. He’s skeptical of Nafta & a lot of free trade issues. He’s concerned about middle class & American jobs. He’s not a cheerleader for the Ukraine debacle or international policing generally. He’s focused opposition to wokeness & its supporters insanity. He has been a fighter. He’s no establishment stooge! 😉


52 posted on 09/16/2023 7:14:21 PM PDT by redheadedshannon
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To: redheadedshannon
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Every word you wrote.

54 posted on 09/16/2023 7:33:25 PM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President. A conservative who fights and wins..)
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To: redheadedshannon

“So far as I can tell from his record in Florida & elsewhere, Ron DeSantis is to Trumps right by any of those measures.”

I certainly won’t take the time to respond to all that nonsense about DeSantis, except:

DeSantis voted for TPP three times. It would have ended American sovereignty completely. It merged the United States into a organization like the present day EU, which is governed in Brussels. Trump ended TPP immediately when he took office.

DeSantis voted for statehood for Puerto Rico, which would have made the democrat party completely in control of the government for all time.

DeSantis is backed by globalist such as Murdock and the Bush clan.

DeSantis is joining the globalist forces trying to stop Trump.

To say that DeSantis is to the right of Trump is insanity. Just look at the border wall; before Trump no politician would even broach the topic of immigration, much less the border wall, and that includes DeSantis.

“He has been solidly against and has strongly opposed to the elites stances on the issues mentioned earlier.”

Except when he is not, as in his previous service in Congress and before Trump made resistance to the elites fashiionable. Is Murdock and the Bush clan, who support DeSantis, not part of the globalists elite?

“He wants illegal immigration stopped & legal immigration reduced. He supports a border wall & huge increases in funds for border security & deportation.”

Trump has been there, done that.

“He’s skeptical of Nafta & a lot of free trade issues.”

That statement is absurd; why did he vote for TPP if that were the case?

“He’s not a cheerleader for the Ukraine debacle....”

He certainly was until he had to backtrack when it caused him criticism.

“He’s no establishment stooge!”

Karl Rove and Murdock are establishment ghouls, in case you don’t know, and they enticed DeSantis to be their stooge.

And if you haven’t noticed, it is Trump that the deep state is going after hot and heavy, not DeSantis. They, at least, know who their enemy is.


73 posted on 09/17/2023 2:31:18 AM PDT by odawg
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To: redheadedshannon

Nice job.


90 posted on 09/17/2023 7:53:40 AM PDT by eartick (Stupidity is expecting the government that broke itself to go out and fix itself. Texan for TEXIT)
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To: redheadedshannon
Ron DeSantis is to Trumps right by any of those measures.

Complete BS, why do you think rove, jeb, mcconnell and romney support desanctomonious? It's because he is owned by the deep state (uniparty). That is why desanctomonious is losing by so much in every single state in the country. There's a better chance I will be POTUS then this backstabbing POS desanctomonious will be.
95 posted on 09/17/2023 8:33:59 AM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
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