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To: Eagles6
--- "MacGregor led the NATO bombing campaign against Yugoslavia, killing approximately 2,000 civilians."

As is my wont, I take assertions without citations and URLs as assertions. Your assertion was simply incorrect.

First, and in the context of NATO involvement in today's "officially" non-NATO war, NATO is noted as aggressor, the bombing campaigns led by Wesley Clark and then Michael Short, and the whole was according to Wiki: :On 23 March 1999 at 22:17 UTC the Secretary General of NATO, Javier Solana, announced he had directed the Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR), General Wesley Clark, to 'initiate air operations in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia'." So not only was NATO aggressor, but it was done with the imprimatur of Javier Solana.

The assertion, "led the NATO bombing campaign" was false.

Additionally, that MacGregor calls himself "a top planner in the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia" smacks of self-promotion. He, along with so many of the other talking heads and YouTube "content creators" operates monetized channels. His is relatively minor, compared to some promoted by "mom" and "speedy," and the whole on both sides comes to nobody reporting from the front. Not even the guy "reporting from Ukraine," whose channel is uploaded from the United States. While some may seem to cheer a side and another side, my view is that "there's gold in them thar" daily YouTube and Twitter posts.

The real "butcher of Yugoslavia" was as I wrote to you. I can source that. When making assertions, citations to back up an assertion will bolster an opinion. Was the bombing campaign against Yugoslavia good or bad? Depends on your view.

Since it was under the Clinton administration there are a number of "takes" on the event. Here's one, Congressional Record (Bound Edition), Volume 145 (1999), Part 10:

"These bombings have turned people who want to be our friends into enemies. These actions have increased anti-Americanism all over the world. We will have problems years from now because of all of this when the problems will be blamed on whomever is president at the time.

In addition, this has cost us many, many billions, which could have been spent on so many better things. Our military would have plenty of money and no shortages if this administration had not so totally misused our military in so many ridiculously costly ways."

Source: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CRECB-1999-pt10/html/CRECB-1999-pt10-Pg13588-2.htm

The larger context, in a thread titled, "Douglas Macgregor: The wishful analyst," is that he remains a pundit among many, many pundits. The world today is awash in punditry, and so much of it is monetized, as more join the fray.

Skepticism is warranted. Assertions which cannot be fully documented are just assertions. And all forecasting of the future is just so much entertainment for those whose confirmation bias leans to "mu side, correct, your side, wrong."

The above "in bold" highlight speaks volumes for today.

33 posted on 09/06/2023 5:30:19 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
"Additionally, that MacGregor calls himself "a top planner in the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia"

His own words damn him. Argue with him.

38 posted on 09/06/2023 8:16:18 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
"this has cost us many, many billions, which could have been spent on so many better things. Our military would have plenty of money and no shortages if this administration had not so totally misused our military in so many ridiculously costly ways.""
To which …Columnist Carol Thomas wrote,
Only a president who knows more about making love than war would declare the puny and ineffective one-sided assault on the former Yugoslavia to be a victory.


LOL! Billeh Clinton zinged! Thanks for your link to the Congressional Record. Wanted to see who said the quote you pulled out in bold (above in italics), and it appears to have been Jimmy Duncan, (R) Tennessee 1988-2019.

41 posted on 09/06/2023 9:05:03 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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