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To: blitz128

It sounds nice in theory but never worked in practice. There are plenty of HARMS in Ukraine but they are mostly shot down or hit residential buildings.
The only time US fought against a semi-modest aid defenses you lost 3,200 jets in Vietnam.
Modern SAMs are mobile, decentralized, and net centric.
If you’d lose 3,200 jets this time, it is game over.


89 posted on 09/01/2023 6:22:42 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

Times have changed and bs rules of engagement in Vietnam cause much of those loses, not this time

Let’s talk gulf 1, iraq large air force and Russian air defenses, not a good look

We were told to expect 45% tanker loss, we lost 0

Time will tell


90 posted on 09/01/2023 6:28:57 PM PDT by blitz128
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To: NorseViking

Still bad, but thought your number high

Take this for what you will

United States Air Force. All told, the U.S. Air Force flew 5.25 million sorties over South Vietnam, North Vietnam, northern and southern Laos, and Cambodia, losing 2,251 aircraft: 1,737 to hostile action, and 514 in accidents. 2,197 of the losses were fixed-wing, and the remainder rotary-wing.

Surprised by the low rotary wing aircraft since hueys were not armored but hey who knew, by these numbers Russia is closing in to rotary wing number which took 10 years in Vietnam and certainly were not the unstoppable flying tank ma-52, hummm


91 posted on 09/01/2023 6:33:25 PM PDT by blitz128
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