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To: _longranger81

I assume you oppose all natural gas pipelines for the same reason? And support California and other insane jurisdictions in banning natural gas hookups in new construction?

We know how to build and operate pipelines safely. We move vast quantities of many materials, some of them hazardous, by pipeline. It is the safest way we’ve yet discovered for moving such materials. And we know how to build redundant cutoffs in the event of a pipeline leak, and as a more routine matter, for regular maintenance.

Can we conjure up pipeline accidents that pose a threat? Sure. Natural gas leaks happen, and houses sometimes blow up. A detector in your house is a good idea.

A break in a CO2 pipeline would lead to the CO2 dissipating back into the atmosphere from which it came, before the corn plants absorbed it during their growth cycle. We’re not talking about a toxic gas here; we’re talking about a natural product of respiration that we ourselves are constantly emitting. If one were enveloped in a cloud of CO2, the theoretical danger would be oxygen deprivation until the cloud had dissipated, which it would, very rapidly. I suppose you can conjure up a scenario where someone could be killed, but it’s vanishingly remote. Remember, this is CO2 that the ethanol plants are emitting into the atmosphere right now. Workers at ethanol plants aren’t keeling over dead. They’re too busy producing ethanol and DDGS, and laughing at enviro fearmongers.


16 posted on 08/25/2023 5:50:12 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: sphinx

If you are afraid of CO2 then don’t drink beer.


17 posted on 08/25/2023 7:30:32 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: sphinx
At the ethanol plants there will be government mandated and litigation mitigation motivated monitoring in place to try to avoid or minimize CO2 release health issues. But at every mile or meter of a pipeline there can’t be that level of monitoring. If a natural gas pipeline breaks (not rare) there soon is an easily seen pillar of fire warning those around of the danger. My feared example of a CO2 pipeline release, or a subterranean storage site release would be like Lake Nyas. Silently killing thousands. For what real gain am I exchanging this realistic megadeath scenario? A climate story I’m convinced is false?

If atmospheric CO2 were to become a real problem gradually replace fixed site fossil fuel electrical production to nuclear. Leave the mobile energy production (cars, trucks, planes, boats) with fossil fuels until something compact and safe enough replaces them. Which current batteries or H2 are not! Absent fake CO2 concerns petrol is an efficient, safe miracle fuel. Normally only ignites when wanted. Naturally cheap (absent government effects.) I can reload over 100 miles range per minute. Using it produces water and air as waste products. As by products we get the material miracles of plastics.. Fixed energy production is and will remain the largest share of energy production and offers enough CO2 savings via nuclear conversion to cover much more than the current false concerns. While allowing the underdeveloped world to develop.

25 posted on 08/26/2023 2:30:06 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Biden/Harris events are called dodo ops)
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To: sphinx
At the ethanol plants there will be government mandated and litigation mitigation motivated monitoring in place to try to avoid or minimize CO2 release health issues. But at every mile or meter of a pipeline there can’t be that level of monitoring. If a natural gas pipeline breaks (not rare) there soon is an easily seen pillar of fire warning those around of the danger. My feared example of a CO2 pipeline release, or a subterranean storage site release would be like Lake Nyas. Silently killing thousands. For what real gain am I exchanging this realistic megadeath scenario? A climate story I’m convinced is false?

If atmospheric CO2 were to become a real problem gradually replace fixed site fossil fuel electrical production to nuclear. Leave the mobile energy production (cars, trucks, planes, boats) with fossil fuels until something compact and safe enough replaces them. Which current batteries or H2 are not! Absent fake CO2 concerns petrol is an efficient, safe miracle fuel. Normally only ignites when wanted. Naturally cheap (absent government effects.) I can reload over 100 miles range per minute. Using it produces water and air as waste products. As by products we get the material miracles of plastics.. Fixed energy production is and will remain the largest share of energy production and offers enough CO2 savings via nuclear conversion to cover much more than the current false concerns. While allowing the underdeveloped world to develop.

26 posted on 08/26/2023 2:30:08 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Biden/Harris events are called dodo ops)
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