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To: ChicagoConservative27

ok, here we go. Some people on Free Republic, are in favor of federal abortion restrictions. See if they show up on this thread.

Some people on Free Republic, are aghast that some states thought to be more conservative, are not passing severe abortion restrictions.

I know we hate Lindsay Graham, here on Free Republic, but this issue goes far beyond anything he says.

It seems to be, that even some conservative women, conservative on other issues, do not want severe abortion restrictions. And that is reflected in votes on the issue.


4 posted on 08/22/2023 1:02:21 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Also, people who would never vote Democrat, are tired of paying for welfare babies, and therefore, want no part of a total ban on abortion.


6 posted on 08/22/2023 1:03:36 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I'm about as pro-life as you get. Abortion is murder.

But the Constitution doesn't let the federal government outlaw murder. Thus, the pro-life cause has to be won at the state level.

Any Republican like Grahmnesty who pushes a federal abortion ban is just trying to stir the pot as a Dim cheerleader.

12 posted on 08/22/2023 1:08:47 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Here is the problem in a nutshell.

About 60 years ago a sexual revolution swept the country, first in the colleges and then filtering down to the high schools. It was a function of the Baby Boomers reaching puberty at the same time. By the late 1960s, American sexual behavior was similar to France or Sweden.

The battle over abortion started in the states where legislatures, fearing the power of the churches, handed the issue to the people via referendum. The voters spoke, and abortion restrictions fell in state after state via the initiative and referendum mechanisms.

The battle royale was New York state where it had to be fought in the legislature because New York doesn't use the initiative mechanism and only uses the referendum mechanism to ratify bond issues. This was a knock-down drag-out brawl that played out at family dinner tables. The legislature loosened restrictions, and Gov. Rockefeller signed them into law. Abortion opponents threatened consequences at the next election but only showed how toothless they were when nothing happened.

The US Supreme Court should have stayed out of it by refusing to grant cert to Roe v. Wade and should have punted it back to the Texas state courts. But having created a national right to abortion, two generations of women came to believe they possessed that right. They were relieved to have abortion as a backstop for sexual freedom, and men were relieved to have the abortion eraser handy for the same reason. Having experienced sexual freedom, people are loathe to give it up, so you need to have a good reason to take away what people perceive as a right.

Most arguments against abortion are based on religious belief. Catholics used to be the largest faith in America, but now Unbelief has replaced them as Number One. Unbelief is also the fastest growing "religion" in America. For many, God the Hairy Thunderer has been replaced by God the Cosmic Muffin. It’s hard to make an effective religious argument when so many have put organized religion aside for a secular or somewhat “spiritual” approach.

To end abortion, you need to convince people to end sexual freedom, erase the 1960s and return to an earlier frame of morality. That’s a hard sell. Once the cat is out of the bag, it's hard to push it back in.

26 posted on 08/22/2023 1:36:47 PM PDT by Publius
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I’ve said it for years, women don’t want to give up the legal right to murder another person. They all want to be more than equal, to do things men and other citizens cannot. They want equality when its beneficial for them, and exceptions and exemptions and special privileges, when it doesn’t. To give up playing God - nope they don’t want to do that.


30 posted on 08/22/2023 1:48:51 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

God, “I knew you before I formed you in your mothers’ womb”. DemocRats love killing babies.


45 posted on 08/22/2023 3:24:51 PM PDT by boomop1 (term limits NOW)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

SCOTUS should have outlawed abortion


47 posted on 08/22/2023 4:14:00 PM PDT by STJPII ( )
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