Nato may be about to sell Ukraine short – and make itself irrelevant

Yahoo news ^ | 20 Aug 24 | Richard Kemp

[delta7]

Nato appears to have abandoned hopes of a Ukrainian victory. Speaking in Norway, secretary general Jens Stoltenberg’s chief of staff, Stian Jenssen, said that a peace deal might involve Kyiv ceding territory to Russia in return for Nato membership.

[BobL]

“That official has walked backed those remarks.”

I doubt it just came out of the blue. More likely they were testing the blowback and the Russian reaction.

[OKSooner]

No, one wouldn’t think so, would one?

[3ZZZ]

It’s what they always want Israel to do.....land for peace. Why are they so outraged about Kiev having to do it?

[BobL]

“....did anyone ever figure out why we’re in the Ukraine?”

The best that I can come up with is that Victoria Nuland seems to believe that destroying Russia, even if the US and Europe are destroyed with it, will somehow bring her Ukrainian grandparents back to life, or at least make up for how they suffered under Stalin...so it’s worth it, to her at least.

Of course there are other possible reasons, including protecting Biden, and the our biolabs, but I’ll stick with Nuland, as she has the most dirt on her hands.

[Firehath]

Russia won’t allow

H*m*

Parades

Marriages

Adoptions

What’s life

living under a rock

Like you must’ve

Been doing

[BeauBo]

The G-7 statement at the Vilnius Summit commits those Countries to the Ukrainian cause. 16 Nations have signed on so far. That gets around a potential veto from one weak link within NATO (like Hungary, for instance).

Here is what they committed to (https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/07/12/g7-joint-declaration-of-support-for-ukraine/ ):

“ 12 July 2023 17:10
G7: Joint declaration of support for Ukraine

We, the Leaders of the Group of Seven (G7), reaffirm our unwavering commitment to the strategic objective of a free, independent, democratic, and sovereign Ukraine, within its internationally recognized borders, capable of defending itself and deterring future aggression.

We affirm that the security of Ukraine is integral to the security of the Euro-Atlantic region.

We consider Russia’s illegal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine to be a threat to international peace and security, a flagrant violation of international law, including the UN Charter, and incompatible with our security interests. We will stand with Ukraine as it defends itself against Russian aggression, for as long as it takes.

We stand united in our enduring support for Ukraine, rooted in our shared democratic values and interests, above all, respect for the UN Charter and the principles of territorial integrity and sovereignty.

Today we are launching negotiations with Ukraine to formalize — through bilateral security commitments and arrangements aligned with this multilateral framework, in accordance with our respective legal and constitutional requirements — our enduring support to Ukraine as it defends its sovereignty and territorial integrity, rebuilds its economy, protects its citizens, and pursues integration into the Euro-Atlantic community. We will direct our teams to begin these discussions immediately.

We will each work with Ukraine on specific, bilateral, long-term security commitments and arrangements towards:

a) Ensuring a sustainable force capable of defending Ukraine now and deterring Russian aggression in the future, through the continued provision of:

● security assistance and modern military equipment, across land, air, and sea domains – prioritizing air defense, artillery and long-range fires, armored vehicles, and other key capabilities, such as combat air, and by promoting increased interoperability with Euro-Atlantic partners;

● support to further develop Ukraine’s defense industrial base;

● training and training exercises for Ukrainian forces;

● intelligence sharing and cooperation;

● support for cyber defense, security, and resilience initiatives, including to address hybrid threats.

b) Strengthening Ukraine’s economic stability and resilience, including through reconstruction and recovery efforts, to create the conditions conducive to promoting Ukraine’s economic prosperity, including its energy security.

c) Providing technical and financial support for Ukraine’s immediate needs stemming from Russia’s war as well as to enable Ukraine to continue implementing the effective reform agenda that will support the good governance necessary to advance towards its Euro-Atlantic aspirations.

In the event of future Russian armed attack, we intend to immediately consult with Ukraine to determine appropriate next steps. We intend, in accordance with our respective legal and constitutional requirements, to provide Ukraine with swift and sustained security assistance, modern military equipment across land, sea and air domains, and economic assistance, to impose economic and other costs on Russia, and to consult with Ukraine on its needs as it exercises its right of self-defense enshrined in Article 51 of the UN Charter. To this end, we will work with Ukraine on an enhanced package of security commitments and arrangements in case of future aggression to enable Ukraine to defend its territory and sovereignty.

In addition to the elements articulated above, we remain committed to supporting Ukraine by holding Russia accountable. This includes working to ensure that the costs to Russia of its aggression continue to rise, including through sanctions and export controls, as well as supporting efforts to hold to account those responsible for war crimes and other international crimes committed in and against Ukraine, including those involving attacks on critical civilian infrastructure. There must be no impunity for war crimes and other atrocities. In this context, we reiterate our commitment to holding those responsible to account, consistent with international law, including by supporting the efforts of international mechanisms, such as the International Criminal Court (ICC).

We reaffirm that, consistent with our respective legal systems, Russia’s sovereign assets in our jurisdictions will remain immobilized until Russia pays for the damage it has caused to Ukraine. We recognize the need for the establishment of an international mechanism for reparation of damages, loss or injury caused by Russian aggression and express our readiness to explore options for the development of appropriate mechanisms.”

[Right_Wing_Madman]

Victoria Nuland seems to believe that destroying Russia... will somehow bring her Ukrainian grandparents back to life, or at least make up for how they suffered under Stalin...

It was Alexander III. It was a program that sort of rhymes with "program."

By the way, Tony Blinken's great grandfather, also of the same heritage, was born in Pereyaslav, Ukraine in 1879, two years before the assassination of Alexander II.

When these facts are known, motivation of the US State Department's #1 and #2 becomes much clearer.

[Rdct29]

They talk like the F16 is a wonder weapon. It's an old plane that will be shot down if it strays near enemy territory. Somebody from Nato will have to supply the pilots and maintenance crews. It's bad enough seeing Bradley's and Himars smashed on the battlefields. Soon we will see Abrams tanks and F16s littering the battlefield.

[Right_Wing_Madman]

Soon we will see Abrams tanks and F16s littering the battlefield.

We already have photos and videos of M1s littering the battlefield. Fortunately, for the Ukrainian pilots who will eventually fly the F-16s, these fighters will be likely be destroyed at the airfield before their first sortie.

[Reverend Wright]

“Was your mother bitten by a Ukrainian or something?”

---

My Grandfather’s assessment of Ukrainians at the packing plant:

“Difficult to supervise, and always wanting to go on strike.”

[Mariner]

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[BobL]

“They talk like the F16 is a wonder weapon. It’s an old plane that will be shot down if it strays near enemy territory.”

Absolutely. Our latest fighters would have a tough time against S-400s. The F-16s don’t stand a chance.

[Kazan]

NATO can't die soon enough.

It's Russian restraint that has prevented WW III or nuclear war.

[jmacusa]

The Dutch have 42 F 16s to spare! Holy Smokes.

[Rocco DiPippo]

"They talk like the F16 is a wonder weapon. It’s an old plane that will be shot down if it strays near enemy territory."

You're correct. It is an old plane. But when flown by the Glorious Ghost Of Chicken Kiev™ and his WWII experienced fellow Youke pilots, including the World Famous Coward Denys Dildosevich Davydov™, it will be unbeatable. The skies above Mother Youcrayne shall soon be filled with the smoldering pieces of RuZZZZian fighters crashing to earth!!!

RuZZZZZia is finished!

Slavo U Crayney!!!

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

"The Kellogg–Briand Pact or Pact of Paris – officially the General Treaty for Renunciation of War as an Instrument of National Policy – is a 1928 international agreement on peace in which signatory states promised not to use war to resolve "disputes or conflicts of whatever nature or of whatever origin they may be, which may arise among them". Wiki

"During August 1914, immediately after the outbreak of the war, English author and social commentator H. G. Wells published a number of articles in London newspapers that subsequently appeared as a book entitled The War That Will End War. He blamed the Central Powers for starting the war and argued that only the defeat of German militarism could bring about an end. He used the shorter form, "the war to end war", for In the Fourth Year (1918), in which he noted that the phrase "got into circulation" in the second half of 1914. It became one of the most common catchphrases of the First World War." Also Wiki....

Those fancy-talk folks have been meeting and declaring and meeting and declaring a long time now.... Fancy-talk folks can be so wrong.

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

_Neocons are bloodthirsty morons. I guarantee you if the Ukraine War ends they’ll be clamoring to go climb into another country to rape it."

Niger.

[sarge83]

Russia and the Ukraine may negotiate a settlement to end the war, but it will be brokered by China or some other country other than the US or NATO. If George Washington II agrees to the settlement the US/NATO will drone him at some point for not fighting a war in perpetuity for them. He will abdicate and seek asylum in probably the country who brokers the deal and take millions of US taxes dollars with him.

The Ukraine simple does not have the manpower to fight a war of attrition with the Russians and the wests sanctions are destroying their own economies. The US and NATO will find another war to fight in the middle east. They will do anything but confront their masters in China, our true enemy.

[sport]

Until Victoria Nuland says, “ Let there be a truce.” There will be no truce. Until Biden's Bio Labs are cleaned up and all traces of the bio weapons developed there erased, there will be no truce. Zelensky does not control anything, even the times he uses the toilet. He is totally and completely subservient to Nuland. She says "Jump" , he jumps. She says "squat". he squats.