I'm not naive at all. I was back when I watching Bannon's show, and Kash Patel was saying what you are now. But I looked it, after another Freeper corrected me. And sure enough, per the law (EO) governing such matters, no one is allowed to keep classified material overnight outside of a secure government facility.
Ambassadors and high ranking military officers take classified information home all the time.
So what, a lot of them take illegal drugs or break other laws as well, doesn't make it legal or legitimate.
Some people are more equal than others when it comes to classified information.
Sure, some people in high places get away with things they shouldn't, but that doesn't mean they're not breaking the law. This is a really weak argument. A true person of honor believe those of higher rank should actually be held to higher standard of behavior, not a lower one.
There is a process and it is laid out in the Executive Order authored during the Obama Administration...This is a long laborious process. So no it can't be done with the snap of the fingers.
Well thanks for agreeing with me on that one. A President can't simply "just think it" as those like Patel and Davis claim, and the process be legally complete.
The contretemps between Trump and the National Archives revolved around two original documents, the letters between Trump and Kim Jong-un and the letter left behind by Obama for Trump when Obama left office. These were considered government property. Trump could have copies but not the originals.
Once again I agree. Trump is the one at fault for believing Presidential Records are "his" after he left office. Trump and his surrogates on Bannon's show and elsewhere continuing to spread the incorrect interpretation that the documents actually belong to Trump are only making the problem worse, by purposefully misleading millions of people for questionable political purposes.
After a presidency, the responsibility for the custody, control, preservation of, and access to presidential records shifts to the Archivist.
Yes, that's the exact line in the law I quoted as well. It's quite clear that the President does not retain custody, or even access to those documents, after leaving office. Once again I'm glad we're finally in more agreement than not.
I seriously doubt Trump had the Pentagon's contingency war plans on Iran.
Well you can believe that if you want, but so far all the evidence is that he not only had them, but was being quite loose with them. This is based on Trump's own voice on recorded tape, the supposed testimony to that by some in the room, and his Chief of Staff saying the war plan was laying on a couch at Trump's golf club.
I provided you with real evidence from Georgia. You chose to ignore them. No, I acknowledged all the "evidence" you provided. I just correctly identified it as evidence of POTENTIAL fraud, which is not the same as fraud. I gave the analogy of Trump leaving his front door wide open, by signing that bill that gave hundreds of millions of dollars to states to implement mail in voting, which leaves great POTENTIAL that the election might be stolen by mail in ballots. But it doesn't prove that it was. Every attempt to prove that, even by Trump's two separate teams of professional investigators, turned up nothing worth reporting.
Gain of function? What is your source showing that Trump supports gain of function research? Fauci secretly re-instituted it in 2017 unbeknown to Trump.
Yes, Gain of Function research WAS re-instituted under Trump. Where's your proof he didn't know? He had just been meeting with Bill Gates, where Gates said research was the main focus of their discussion. He also offered Bill Gates the Chief Scientist of the White House position, which thankfully Gates turned down.
Supporting gay parties? Are you suffering from homophobia? Trump appointed gay Ric Grenell as Ambassador to Germany and then Acting Director of National Intelligence. Do you have a problem with that?
I'm a believer of the Bible, where homosexuality is called "an abomination." Even if you don't believe the Bible, homosexuality is also a destructive behavior that leads to an average lifespan of only 50 years old, which is not only a horrible destruction of life, but a huge burden on our medical infrastructure.
So no, I don't support Rick Grennell, who was the chief ringleader in putting rainbow flags back out in front of our embassies after Pompeo directed they all be taken down. You want rainbow flags in front of all our embassies, worldwide? Well that's what we'll get if Grennell becomes Secretary of State under Trump, as Bannon often recommends. I wan that guy as far away from our embassies as possible, as that does NOT reflect America or our ideals, nor ones we should be projecting.
Issues and the candidates no longer matter.
Spoken like a true Trump disciple. It's all about celebrity, personality, and power now, to them. Trump is all knowing, all powerful, "the man who should not be questioned." So what about those laws, they don't apply to people like him. And who cares about parties, or principles, it's all about laying those aside for whatever Trump desires. I'm just not onboard with that. Not for Trump, not for anyone. America is far greater than any one man. Especially one who constantly claims he was a better President than Washington, or Lincoln, or anyone else, when his last year of power was actually one of the worst in America's history. I'm not interested in signing up for that again. He's so proud of those horrible "vaccines" he bought billions of dollars worth before even the first test was conducted, he's not only misguided, he's dangerous.
You do know that secret and classified material can be mailed through the Post Office.
CONFIDENTIAL materials may be sent via U.S. Postal Service certified, first class, express, or registered mail or government courier service.
SECRET materials may ONLY be sent via U.S. Postal Service express or registered mail or government courier service.
The President sets the rules on how classified information is handled.
From your link:
"You must not remove classified material from official premises except to conduct official meetings or conferences, and the material must be returned to safe storage facilities immediately upon the conclusion of the meeting or conference. Residences are not considered official premises, and you must not remove classified material for reasons of personal convenience or keep it overnight in personal custody."
When Congressional and Presidential delegations travel abroad, they carry classified material with them. More often than not, they keep the material in their hotel rooms overnight. A staff member could be designated to hold the material under 24 hour watch. They could request approved classified storage containers from an Embassy or Consulate, but that has been the exception in my experience. Or they could request the Embassy hold the materials for them.
Does Trump's storage area in Mar-a-lago constitute approved storage? Despite having 24 hour a day protection by the USSS, probably not. But the classification level of material are we talking about and the marked classification may not be accurate. The very fact that the President has them may indicate they are no longer classified.
So what, a lot of them take illegal drugs or break other laws as well, doesn't make it legal or legitimate.
As I said, you are naive.
Sure, some people in high places get away with things they shouldn't, but that doesn't mean they're not breaking the law. This is a really weak argument. A true person of honor believe those of higher rank should actually be held to higher standard of behavior, not a lower one.
Ditto on naivete. The treatment of Trump (Russia Hoax) and the J6 political prisoners by Deep State and the Uniparty should disabuse you of the belief that we have men of honor running our government. Men of honor like Lt. Col Stuart Scheller, USMC, are punished for being honorable. Austin and Milley should have resigned after the disastrous exit from Afghanistan.
Well thanks for agreeing with me on that one. A President can't simply "just think it" as those like Patel and Davis claim, and the process be legally complete.
But the President is the author of the rules. The entire classification system originates with him. If he thinks it is worthwhile to share classified information with another government, he can.
Once again I agree. Trump is the one at fault for believing Presidential Records are "his" after he left office. Trump and his surrogates on Bannon's show and elsewhere continuing to spread the incorrect interpretation that the documents actually belong to Trump are only making the problem worse, by purposefully misleading millions of people for questionable political purposes.
It is not as clear cut as you make it sound. There can be conflicts between what the President considers personal and what NARA thinks should be Presidential. The Clinton sock drawer case is one of them.
Well you can believe that if you want, but so far all the evidence is that he not only had them, but was being quite loose with them. This is based on Trump's own voice on recorded tape, the supposed testimony to that by some in the room, and his Chief of Staff saying the war plan was laying on a couch at Trump's golf club.
Have you ever seen contingency war plans? They are voluminous. It would take a hundred Trumps to wave them in the air. Have you ever been in the military or worked for the government?
No, I acknowledged all the "evidence" you provided. I just correctly identified it as evidence of POTENTIAL fraud, which is not the same as fraud. I gave the analogy of Trump leaving his front door wide open, by signing that bill that gave hundreds of millions of dollars to states to implement mail in voting, which leaves great POTENTIAL that the election might be stolen by mail in ballots. But it doesn't prove that it was. Every attempt to prove that, even by Trump's two separate teams of professional investigators, turned up nothing worth reporting.
Wrong. In the case of Georgia, the many violations I provided are felonies. They violated election law. The elections should not have been certified. True the Vote
Yes, Gain of Function research WAS re-instituted under Trump. Where's your proof he didn't know? He had just been meeting with Bill Gates, where Gates said research was the main focus of their discussion. He also offered Bill Gates the Chief Scientist of the White House position, which thankfully Gates turned down.
Where is your proof that he did know? At Congressional hearings, Fauci denied to Rand Paul that they were conducting gain of function research. How many people even know what it was before Covid? I doubt Trump would even be aware of or understand such research. Who would tell him?
I'm a believer of the Bible, where homosexuality is called "an abomination." Even if you don't believe the Bible, homosexuality is also a destructive behavior that leads to an average lifespan of only 50 years old, which is not only a horrible destruction of life, but a huge burden on our medical infrastructure.
Does Ron DeSantis hold your views?
So no, I don't support Rick Grennell, who was the chief ringleader in putting rainbow flags back out in front of our embassies after Pompeo directed they all be taken down. You want rainbow flags in front of all our embassies, worldwide? Well that's what we'll get if Grennell becomes Secretary of State under Trump, as Bannon often recommends. I wan that guy as far away from our embassies as possible, as that does NOT reflect America or our ideals, nor ones we should be projecting.
A Trump Administration won't allow it regardless of who is SecState. But a BIDEN Administration does allow it.
Spoken like a true Trump disciple. It's all about celebrity, personality, and power now, to them. Trump is all knowing, all powerful, "the man who should not be questioned."
You are missing the point and context. Why didn't you include the sentence that followed? Whoever collects the most ballots, not legal votes will win. Fetterman, Biden, and Hobbes are prime examples. Unless the GOP can stop election fraud, the Dems will "win" again. 70% of Reps believe Trump won in 2020. The election was stolen. We have ample evidence it was.
I get it. You hate Trump. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Like a$$holes, everyone has one.