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To: kabar
Trump had a successful Presidency marked with significant achievements. A united GOP would rally around Trump in 2024. Why haven’t they?

I'll give you the answers. But will you be like most Trump supporters, and just ignore them outright, and choose to attack me instead? Maybe, or maybe not, since you seem to be one of the more logical ones here.

First, those achievements you mentioned while Trump was President, were not solely due to Trump. Looking back, his biggest achievement is either the tax cut, or the 3 new members of the USSC. On the tax cut, it was more Paul Ryan and Congress's doing than Trump. Doesn't mean I'm a supporter of Ryan, because I'm not. But his staff and other Republicans wrote that Bill, all Trump did was sign it. On the USSC appointments, any honest person knows that McConnell played a major part in that. Doesn't mean I'm a supporter of McConnell, but Trump always wants to blame all his horrible appointments on who Mitch would allow in the Senate, but then act like Trump alone did it for the USSC appointees.

So it takes a team to accomplish things, but Trump just wants to hog all the glory for himself, when the facts don't bear that out. At some point, the rest of the team gets sick of it, just like a football team starts allowing sacks for their selfish, mouthy, egotistical quarterback who screams at them for the tiniest mistake. At some point they leave their own teammate out to dry, to show him he can't do it alone, and that we are supposed to be a team, not a one man show. But Trump refuses to ever be a team player, and just keeps leading the party off of one cliff after another. Eventually, you get to the point you just start letting that person go off the cliff by themselves. A point where 40 of 44 cabinet members no longer support you, and almost 0 out of 49 in the Senate.

But it didn't start out this bad, even though you tried to claim it. Trump and his supporters want to blame Congress for them not funding his wall. But it was Trump who promised to have a plan for Mexico to pay for it! Yet he never once offered a single idea on how to do that. That's Congress's fault? Of course not, that's Trump's fault, he's the one who promised Mexico would pay for it, not Congress.

Republicans could have CONVICTED him of impeachment, twice, if they were as against him as Trump supporters believe. The second time, for J6, they had to really withhold themselves, because most every one of them was completely furious at Trump for what he had just done. Every single Senator told him not to have that "rally," even the ones who were going to speak in his favor that day. They knew there was nothing good that would come of it, it was a disaster waiting to happen, and that ALL Republicans would be perpetually smeared for his idiotic decision to go ahead. I'm surprised they didn't convict him to be honest, but McConnell controlled the votes and said the vote is now officially over, and Trump is on the way out anyway, so we will spare him.

But if they really despised him the way you describe, it would have been the perfect opportunity to really stick it to him. But they didn't. They showed mercy. Trump supporters should recognize this, and understand Republicans lack of patience, or willingness to ever trust Trump again, is because he can't be trusted. He'll ignore what every single one of them says, and have another J6 like screw up in a moments notice. And even when they try to be nice to him, like having mercy on his second impeachment, neither Trump or his supporters will recognize it, much less appreciate it.

So that's why they're not rallying around him. Trump is just a time bomb, waiting to go off again, and his supporters enable his deepest darkest desires by treating as if he's some sort of deity, incapable of fault, no matter how obscene the situation is. Stand back, is the smart play. Else you just blow yourself up again trying to help him.

120 posted on 08/20/2023 11:39:33 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Ultra Conservative)
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To: Golden Eagle

I want so bad to respond to your most wonderful (and very true) comment with a bow to the “problems” of Trump.

Let us say that I don’t think Trump supporters aren’t aware of his faults. Guess what? We all have them. For the record, I think Trump went into the role of “The Apprentice” as he portrayed only he was an apprentice president.

Trump supporters know this.

But when you are forced to defend yourself and your favorites, constantly....you start to sound a bit absured.

Your short but succint commentary summed the whole matter up very well.

Here’s my question Golden Eagle, why doesn’t a Mitch McConnell say exactly as you stated in your essay? Why doesn’t a Republican leader come out and say it and leave it up to Trump to respond?

Trump supporters...as I end my tirade....are not necessarily in support of this “team” you speak of.


128 posted on 08/20/2023 12:31:17 PM PDT by Fishtalk (https://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Golden Eagle

I see you are BACK on this Site. Now that Mr. DeSanctamonious is very close to giving up the run for the Presidency, WHO will you be pushing Next, JEB?


129 posted on 08/20/2023 12:37:14 PM PDT by DanZ
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To: Golden Eagle; Fishtalk
I'll give you the answers. But will you be like most Trump supporters, and just ignore them outright, and choose to attack me instead? Maybe, or maybe not, since you seem to be one of the more logical ones here.

LOL. You can be assured that I will not attack you personally, just your views. I find it amusing that you begin our discussion by characterizing "most Trump supporters" in such a negative light.

First, those achievements you mentioned while Trump was President, were not solely due to Trump. Looking back, his biggest achievement is either the tax cut, or the 3 new members of the USSC. On the tax cut, it was more Paul Ryan and Congress's doing than Trump. Doesn't mean I'm a supporter of Ryan, because I'm not. But his staff and other Republicans wrote that Bill, all Trump did was sign it.

First, I disagree with your analysis that Trump's two biggest accomplishments were the tax cuts and the three appointments to SCOTUS. When reviewing the WH's extensive list of the Trump Administration Accomplishments, I prefer to look at the big picture. Trump's America First policies and economic nationalism were a major departure from the decades long globalist policies that destroyed the American middle class and entangled us in endless wars that drained our nation's blood and treasure.

There is a reason why the Uniparty formed "The Resistance" right after the 2016 election. Trump was a threat to the established order and the political, corporate, media, academic, and bureaucratic elites who run this country and are disconnected from the people. Angelo Codevilla wrote a book about it, The Ruling Class: How they corrupted America and what we can do about it.

So it takes a team to accomplish things, but Trump just wants to hog all the glory for himself, when the facts don't bear that out. At some point, the rest of the team gets sick of it, just like a football team starts allowing sacks for their selfish, mouthy, egotistical quarterback who screams at them for the tiniest mistake. At some point they leave their own teammate out to dry, to show him he can't do it alone, and that we are supposed to be a team, not a one man show. But Trump refuses to ever be a team player, and just keeps leading the party off of one cliff after another. Eventually, you get to the point you just start letting that person go off the cliff by themselves. A point where 40 of 44 cabinet members no longer support you, and almost 0 out of 49 in the Senate.

I don't agree with your characterization of Trump wanting to "hog all the glory" and not being a team player." He constantly refers to himself as being the leader of a movement that is bigger than him.

Loyalty begets loyalty. What Trump has endured ever since he announced for the Presidency in 2015 defies description. The Obama/Biden Administration set in motion the Russia Hoax that had the Trump campaign and transition team surveilled before he even took office. The abuse of the FISA system was used to perpetuate the Russia Hoax, a political dirty trick that hobbled the Trump Administration from the beginning. In fact, the FBI was using electronic surveillance of the WH for the first 8 months of Trump's presidency. Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Baker, et. al. were trying to stage a coup to remove Trump from office. They set up General Flynn to remove him from the Administration.

Thew Russia Hoax cost Trump and members of his family and administration millions of dollars in legal fees. The Mueller investigation was just part of the cover-up. And no one seems to mention the damage it did to our bilateral relations with Russia. And despite these dastardly deeds, no one has been held accountable for trying to take down the duly elected President of the United States.

And then we we had two phony impeachments that were conducted without due process. We had the illegally constituted J6 Committee, which was a kangaroo court that covered up the J6 Fedsurrection. We have County DAs in NYC and GA charging Trump for non-existent crimes and politicized DOJ that raided Trump's home and charged him with manufactured crimes. And many of Trump's former staff have been included in these witch hunts costs millions in legal fees. Thew objective is to prevent Trump from running again in 2024. TDS is not just some cute term to describe the obsession with all things Trump. Civil liberties and due process have been trampled to get Trump. It is unprecedented in our history.

Trump is an outsider. He depended upon the GOP to help him staff his administration. They set him up to insure that no one like him would ever again take office. The GOP was mostly silent during the Russia Hoax hoping that Trump could be removed and Pence be President. Lindsey Graham, who admitted he did not vote for Trump in 2016, threatened Trump that the Senate would not tolerate the removal of Mueller during his investigation.

Many of Trump's "team" were snakes who ignored his orders, e.g., Mattis. They were part of the Swamp. They tried to take him down repeatedly and worked with the MSM to paint the type of caricature you seem to embrace.

But it didn't start out this bad, even though you tried to claim it. Trump and his supporters want to blame Congress for them not funding his wall. But it was Trump who promised to have a plan for Mexico to pay for it! Yet he never once offered a single idea on how to do that. That's Congress's fault? Of course not, that's Trump's fault, he's the one who promised Mexico would pay for it, not Congress.

Trump was stymied at every turn to get funding for the Wall. He eventually was able to use DOD funding by executive order to get 500 miles built. Congress should have funded the Wall regardless of what Trump said on the campaign trail. It is a matter of national security. Trump secured the Southern border thru various policy initiatives. The RINOs didn't want the Wall. Their corporate paymasters wanted the continuous flow of cheap, exploitable labor. Now we have open borders that have seen 6 million illegal aliens enter over the past two years. Most Reps in Congress show little outrage at what is happening.

Republicans could have CONVICTED him of impeachment, twice, if they were as against him as Trump supporters believe. The second time, for J6, they had to really withhold themselves, because most every one of them was completely furious at Trump for what he had just done. Every single Senator told him not to have that "rally," even the ones who were going to speak in his favor that day. They knew there was nothing good that would come of it, it was a disaster waiting to happen, and that ALL Republicans would be perpetually smeared for his idiotic decision to go ahead. I'm surprised they didn't convict him to be honest, but McConnell controlled the votes and said the vote is now officially over, and Trump is on the way out anyway, so we will spare him.

Convicted him for what? What Senators told him not to have the rally? I just received my copy of Courage Under Fire--Under Siege and Outnumbered 58 to 1 by Seven Sund, former Chief of the United States Capitol Police. Three days before the attack Sund's request for the National Guard was turned down by Pelosi. He says he was never included in intelligence briefings prior to J6.

J6 was a planned intel op by the Dems and Deep State. The riot, not insurrection, started before Trump finished his speech. The rally was a legitimate expression of free speech about a stolen election. The persecution of the J6 prisoners is the greatest deprivation of civil liberties and due process in our history, worse than what was done to Japanese-Americans during WWII. Rep Congressional leadership has been silent on the treatment of J6 political prisoners and the murders of Ashli Babbit and Rose Boylan.

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A NATIONAL DISGRACE: Shocking images were leaked over the weekend showing the true cruelty of the Biden administration. Cramped in a windowless concrete cell, T January 6th protest related detainee was pictured only having a small light to see a bucket to use as a toilet. He has been transferred to over 18 different facilities and had been “forgotten” about.

But if they really despised him the way you describe, it would have been the perfect opportunity to really stick it to him. But they didn't. They showed mercy. Trump supporters should recognize this, and understand Republicans lack of patience, or willingness to ever trust Trump again, is because he can't be trusted. He'll ignore what every single one of them says, and have another J6 like screw up in a moments notice. And even when they try to be nice to him, like having mercy on his second impeachment, neither Trump or his supporters will recognize it, much less appreciate it.

LOL. Mercy my ass. Trump is the leader of the GOP. These RINOs know that the GOP is finished if Trump supporters stay home or form a new party. They like to use Trump's name for fundraising. They seek his endorsement. They are scared to death every time they see a Trump rally. They know that 2020 election was stolen. It is why many of them don't want to raise the issue of election fraud.

Trump won. Only incumbent President to "lose" when receiving more votes the second time. Trump received 11 million more votes in 2020, a 17% increase. The election was stolen. 75% of the GOP base believes it along with 55% of the general electorate.

So that's why they're not rallying around him. Trump is just a time bomb, waiting to go off again, and his supporters enable his deepest darkest desires by treating as if he's some sort of deity, incapable of fault, no matter how obscene the situation is. Stand back, is the smart play. Else you just blow yourself up again trying to help him.

Fortunately, you are in the minority. TDS can be fatal. Cheers.

141 posted on 08/20/2023 5:21:53 PM PDT by kabar
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