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To: ransomnote; Mariner

On the contrary. There’s no argument that the Poroshenko era battalions were massively nazified. As was the Ukrainian Rada.

But that was 2014-19.

Between 2019 and 2022 Ukraine voted out the nazis in the Rada, and the nazis in the regular military were broken up.

By December 2021 even the DPR observers were admitting that the occasional firefights between combatants were killing less than ten combatants a month.

When Russia attacked Mariupol, the Azov battalion became a rallying point because they had 8 years of experience in guerilla warfare and knew where the arms caches had been hidden. So anyone wanting weapons and training quickly went, naturally, to Azov.

So Russia can thank its own retarded self for turning a near irrelevant Azov Nazi battalion within the National Guard that had been broken up, into the go-to outfit for the Ukrainians’ Home Defense.

And Azov attracted a lot of non Nazi members because they had the weapons, training, battlefield experience, and were in the right place at the right time.

I’ve told you both before, I am in regular contact with “ethnic Russian” Ukrainians from the Donbas who are now in Zaporizhzhia city defending it from the Russians. They had to go to Azov first, when the Russians showed up, because when the enemy tanks are on the horizon you can’t go 600 miles northeast for assistance; you go to the local militia that’s sitting on a stockpile.


29 posted on 08/18/2023 12:37:51 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: MalPearce

“So Russia can thank its own retarded self for turning a near irrelevant Azov Nazi battalion within the National Guard that had been broken up, into the go-to outfit for the Ukrainians’ Home Defense.”

Pathetic. Really pathetic attempt at distortion. Russia invaded to eliminate the threats of bio warfare labs on its border and the Nazi influence in the Ukraine that codified ‘ethnic purity’ and shelled ethnic Russians, and most of all the revered Banderas. I get it - the Ukrainians refuse to ever admit the truth and all they do, 24/7, is blame Russia Russia Russia because they couldn’t soak up 100+ billion dollars from Americans. This failure of decency and morals in a significant portion of the Ukraine made them easy prey for NATO to use. I can’t imagine what promises were given, but something convinced the Ukraine they could win this thing, all the while portraying themselves as ‘saintly’ victims.


30 posted on 08/18/2023 1:15:55 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: MalPearce
Between 2019 and 2022 Ukraine voted out the nazis in the Rada, and the nazis in the regular military were broken up.

Moving the goalposts again...typical Tory deceit.

35 posted on 08/18/2023 8:32:45 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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