Posted on 08/13/2023 8:33:42 AM PDT by backpacker_c
It seemed everything that could have gone wrong for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Saturday did.
The governor has spent the past two days coddling and cozying up to every Iowa voter and state legislator possible. The return on investment? Being drowned out by his biggest adversaries: progressives and Trump loyalists.
On Saturday afternoon, while DeSantis joined Reynolds and Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst at a grill to flip pork chops, Trump supporters surrounded the venue and chanted, “We love Trump!” Moments later, Trump’s plane flew overhead, seeming to taunt DeSantis as fairgoers craned to get a look.
Trump’s visit to the state fair lasted about an hour — long enough to arrive to the overflowing Steer N’ Stein bar,... the crowd outside of the bar, craning for a glimpse of Trump as he entered or exited, was at least three times the size of the crowd at DeSantis’ “fair-side chat” with Gov. Reynolds
Meanwhile, DeSantis walked through the fair for the better part of Saturday, surrounded by about a dozen men carrying DeSantis signs, who identified themselves as employees of DeSantis’ political action committee, Never Back Down.
Even the crowd at DeSantis’ morning event, protesters aside, was not entirely convinced by the governor.
The fact that a significant portion of DeSantis’ audience couldn’t hear his speech before the audio cut didn’t help, either. Reynolds hadn’t even asked the first question when a group of six protesters began blowing whistles and ringing cowbells, causing Reynolds to stop the event and ask all attendees to be “Iowa nice.”
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DeSantis is one of the worst candidates to run for President in recent memory. He has the charisma of potted planted and no political instincts. He’s proven to be a southern version of Mitt Romney, flip-flopping on any issue he has to please his donors.
You and your crowd seen politicians as your superiors. That’s why. Imagine getting a job as the director or human affairs and start to target the ceo’s job within a month no longer concerned as much about your immediate role? Us “normies” don’t have such luxurious opportunity. We must do the job we are hired for OR works massive amounts of overtime. Politicians just change the rules.
Popular support. Biden would not be advised to do that because he took power under military supervision
The first governor to seek the presidency while serving as governor was Rutherford B. Hayes OH) in 1876 followed by Grover Cleveland (NY) in 1884, William McKinley (OH) in 1896, Woodrow Wilson (NJ) in 1912, Calvin Coolidge (MA) in 1920, Franklin D. Roosevelt (NY) in 1932, Bill Clinton (AR) in 1992 and George W. Bush (TX) in 2000.
Both Clinton & Bush served two years+ of their terms as Governor before campaigning for POTUS. DeSantis’ immediate entry into POTUS campaign is unprecedented.
Clinton
During Clinton’s 1990 reelection campaign, he promised to serve out the entirety of the term he was seeking. However, Clinton reneged and instead successfully ran for president in 1992, defeating Republican incumbent George H. W. Bush.
Clinton was the first sitting governor to transition into the presidency since Franklin D. Roosevelt did after his own election in 1932. During his presidential transition, Clinton resigned from the governorship on December 12, 1992.
George Bush
George W. Bush served as the 46th governor of Texas from 1995 until 2000, when he resigned as governor amid his transition into the U.S. presidency after having been elected president in the 2000. During his presidential transition, Bush resigned from the governorship on December 21, 2000. Wiki.
President Trump banning guns by executive order doesn't bother you?
—> There are people right here on FR that continuously trash Governor DeSantis that will be screaming for him to not only run for, but to BE POTUS in 4 years.
Probably so.
I’ve ruled him out after watching and seeing who he is.
He banned a component of a firearm that can easily be reversed. When he signs an anti-1st Amendment bill in Israel wake me up OK.
Ouch!
Normally Governors are well into their terms before deciding to run for President. They don’t run after just being re-elected.
Reagan ran in 1968, one year into his first term as California Governor.
What issues has DeSantis flip-flopped on to please his donors?
Are you going to say he flip-flopped on Ukraine because he didn't. And Trump himself promised to give Ukraine everything they ask for if he can't personally end the hostilities in 24 hours.
How can it be "reversed" if you built a bump-stock equipped AR-15 from the receiver up?
You'd have to disassemble the weapon and pay out of pocket to legally comply with Trump's executive order.
Was this the MAGA you voted for?
The Federalist Society disagrees with you:
https://fedsoc.org/commentary/fedsoc-blog/a-second-amendment-grade-for-president-trump-so-far
Could you be referring to this action by ATF not by President Trump?:
Despite all of these actions, President Trump’s first term saw one clear Second Amendment policy failure. Under his administration, the ATF arbitrarily reinterpreted the federal definition of “machine gun” to include bump stocks, banning their civilian possession and requiring owners to turn in these devices. It did so even though bump stocks do not modify the mechanics of a semi-automatic firearm, and the agency has no authority to change the meaning of federal law.
Regardless of one’s perspective on the desirability, constitutionality, or practical effectiveness of banning the civilian possession of bump stocks, the way in which the ATF went about doing so is troubling. When a largely unaccountable federal agency feels empowered to effectively rewrite statutes in order to create new gun control laws, it poses a danger to the entire Constitution, including the Second Amendment.
Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses
The new law nullifies an Obama-backed rule that added people with mental illnesses to the national background check database.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/bump-stocks-ban/index.html
It was reversed recently and as far as I can tell it was an ATF guideline change not an executive order.
“Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker signed the new rule Tuesday morning, according to the officials – a notable move given the string of legal challenges surrounding the constitutionality of his appointment. The officials said they stood ready to defend against any challenges to the rule, and pointed to the fact that the Office of Legal Counsel at the Department signed off on it.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-court-strikes-down-trump-era-bump-stock-ban
So what?
At the end of his single term, Trump had banned more guns than Obama did in two terms.
These are historical facts. You don't have to like them but don't try to gaslight me. I'm not falling for it.
I'm not talking about the weapon. I'm talking about the Executive Order. EOs can be reversed.
Was this the MAGA you voted for?
Yes, because it stopped that bitch Hillary and 16 other worthless RINOs from becoming President, and it exposed just how corrupt and useless our government is. That's a helluva trade-off. Even Reagan supported the Brady Bill.
The executive order directed the ATF to look into the situation. Trump did not ban bump stocks by executive order at least not that I can find. I posted the order signed by Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker, above
He did? You're telling me the 2nd Amendment got repealed, just like that? And there are no guns anywhere in gun and sports stores?
And I will forever be grateful to Trump for denying that evil woman the White House. Sadly, Election Night 2016 was the high-point of his presidency. It was all downhill after that.
Even Reagan supported the Brady Bill.
Yep. He sure did. And he raised the drinking age to a ridiculously old 21.
I don't worship Reagan. I don't worship any politician. I applaud the good things they do and call them out for the bad things they do. Because I'm not a cult member.
And gun stores in California are full of guns. Are you going to tell me there's no gun ban there?
Don't gaslight me. I know you OnlyTrumpers have a lot of practice gaslighting people but I'm not an idiot.
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