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To: A strike

Ukraine doesn’t have 2000+ combat aircraft, half of which are 5th gen stealth fighters, the worlds best SEAD capabilities, a fleet of 600+ ships, thousands of long range missiles, unlimited supplies of aircraft munitions, etc.

You are making irrelevant assumptions about one category, of 155mm howitzer ammo, being used in a way that doesnt match NATO doctrine.

NATO will destroy all air defenses, obtain air supremacy, “isolate” any battlefield, destroy all tactical systems in it including all enemy artillery, and then roll over the remnants.


53 posted on 08/11/2023 1:30:15 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

“..You are making irrelevant assumptions about one category, of 155mm howitzer ammo, ...”


Every peer-peer war since WW1, SEVENTY PERCENT of casualties are from artillery.

That is, more than infantry rifles, machine guns, mortars, grenades, flame throwers, bombs, rockets , depth charges, torpedos etc... etc... etc. COMBINED.

But according to you “it’s different this time” and the wizz-bang high tech bullshit is more important.

“NATO will destroy all air defenses, obtain air supremacy,...”

What happens if they can’t ? What happens if Russian air defence is like Russian minefields ?

Without air superiority, NATO has to get down on the ground with these guys, against a massive artillery imbalance.

And then the 70 % of casualties that artillery causes will be the final end of NATO and their BS claims of superiority.


61 posted on 08/11/2023 2:38:46 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: buwaya; Gunslingr3

Total NATO non-US military ‘nads can be counted on one thumb.

If you want to count the possibility of denuding the entire US defense capability to engage a non proxy war with Russia NATO/US still loses in a ground war in central-east Europe. Ships mean Schiff unless you want to go total war.
Yep it may be that if the entire US airpower is brought to bear instantaneously in Ukraine that air superiority could happen. But at the very first hint of that Russia WILL roll to the Uk/Polish border (Which they very well can do) and
there will be a S-400 battery in every square mile, i.e. No SEAD, No tankers, No C-117s, No B-52s, B-1s... So everything is on Whiteman and we’re back to total war.
It is certainly ego bruising to come to grips with the fact the the US is no longer totally militarily dominant but
US/NATO would lose to Russia.


71 posted on 08/12/2023 8:23:20 PM PDT by A strike (Words can have gender, humans cannot.)
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To: buwaya; Reverend Wright; Gunslingr3

No AWACS either over ALL EU/NATO airspace because it will be existential to Russia.


72 posted on 08/12/2023 8:33:49 PM PDT by A strike (Words can have gender, humans cannot.)
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