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F-16 training for Ukrainian pilots faces delays and uncertainty
The Washington Post ^ | Aug 11, 2023 | Isabelle Khurshudyan , Emily Rauhala and Missy Ryan

Posted on 08/10/2023 11:51:16 PM PDT by McGruff

A first group of six Ukrainian pilots is not expected to complete training on the U.S.-made F-16 before next summer, senior Ukrainian government and military officials said, following a series of delays by Western partners in implementing an instruction program for the sophisticated fighter jet.

The timeline reflects the disconnect between Ukraine’s supporters, who envision F-16s as a key tool in the country’s long-term defense, and Kyiv, which has desperately requested that the jets reach the battle space as soon as possible, viewing them as critical for the current fight against occupying Russian forces.

President Biden, after denying Ukrainian appeals for the F-16 for more than a year, reversed course in May and said he backed the idea of training Ukrainian pilots on the jets, and supported the transfer of the planes by other countries.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Ukraine; War
KEYWORDS: tothelastukrainian; wasteofmen; wasteoftime
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To: A strike

Yes, he did. He intended to overthrow the Ukrainian government and put in his puppets, a la Belarus, in a coup de main.

Frustrated in that, his war aims have mutated several times apparently, as their various attempts at overcoming the Ukrainian resistance have sequentially failed.

Now he wants to eke out a win by preserving his remaining territorial gains.


81 posted on 08/12/2023 11:02:50 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

“It was your scenario of a Russian advance into NATO territory. You brought it up.”

“If Russia presumes to invade the Baltics/Poland...” not my wrong thinking.


82 posted on 08/12/2023 11:07:20 PM PDT by A strike (Words can have gender, humans cannot.)
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To: Phoenix8

Eh, a half-truth is still a whole lie.


83 posted on 08/13/2023 6:51:50 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US

Not when it comes to propaganda.

All is fair when it comes to love and war and propaganda is often used in both.


84 posted on 08/14/2023 3:32:50 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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To: Phoenix8

No, that’s precisely the point. Propaganda uses a grain of truth to draw people in, that’s not in dispute. It is designed by definition to mislead people, that is the entire point. It is intended to deceive.

Or put another way “false propaganda” doesn’t sound so bad, comparable to “Free Gift” but obviously there is no point in a construction such as “true propaganda”.


85 posted on 08/14/2023 7:46:31 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US

“ . It is designed by definition to mislead people, that is the entire point. It is intended to deceive”

Well yes to do that and to convince people to join their way, their cause. Etc.

However your first point gave me the impression I see with a lot of people that all propaganda is simply falsehoods. Which is in fact not true at all. Sometimes propagandists will throw in entirely true articles and stories to make their platform seem legitimate.

Which is why I think most MSM news sources are fundamentally propaganda platforms. Such as CNN, they also put put entirely true stories maybe even 50% of their coverage but their deep and true goal is to convince people to follow their path. How can you tell what their true path is? Simple, follow what never changes, their devotion to subtly but consistently steer people to go left.
You see that push in everything=
Economics—more stimulus, more government control, more taxes
Crime—more lenience, more protection of “disadvantaged” minorities
Immigration—more internationalism, more focus on the immigrants plight
Religion—anti Christian, pro abortion
Politics of course—every single Dem POTUS when a candidate is always portrayed in a softer more humanistic light… never fail

“FAKE news” is not all lies its guided news, it’s news with an agenda..it’s propaganda.


86 posted on 08/14/2023 8:44:20 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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