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F-16 training for Ukrainian pilots faces delays and uncertainty
The Washington Post ^ | Aug 11, 2023 | Isabelle Khurshudyan , Emily Rauhala and Missy Ryan

Posted on 08/10/2023 11:51:16 PM PDT by McGruff

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To: Phoenix8

For a while here, maybe a couple or a few months some posters were really trying to push that meme as legit.

So much about Zelensky isn’t true, especially the memes, but it also applies to what appears to be some professional rumor-planting about home ownership, his wife’s fake shopping spree, extraordinary wealth, and so on.


41 posted on 08/11/2023 7:07:36 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Phoenix8

“Too much false propaganda going around.”

Is there any other kind? I mean, if something is true or factual it isn’t propaganda is it?


42 posted on 08/11/2023 7:21:07 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: McGruff

The war will be over by then. Putin has 250,000 troops primed to take Kiev.


43 posted on 08/11/2023 8:21:37 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Freedom4US

Yes propaganda can be factual just biased.

We see this in the news all the time in the USA. For example the mass media constantly pushed any narrative or story that showed any weakness of Trump. For example his “grab them by the p” comment, yet they purposefully ignored sordid behavior by the Biden’s. Like Hunters whites and illegitimate child he abandoned or Joe’s likely rape of Tara Reade.

Other examples are the almost non-stop coverage of Jan 6 while ignoring the BLMTIFA attacks on federal buildings in the Floyd riots in Washington (wasnt it?). You could literally write a book on it.

As a matter of fact the BEST propaganda has a little fact in it because it’s harder to both detect and disprove.


44 posted on 08/11/2023 8:31:31 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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To: Phoenix8

Hunters whites=hunters whores

Spelling autocorrect


45 posted on 08/11/2023 8:32:51 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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To: Gunslingr3

Like the Russians would allow that.


46 posted on 08/11/2023 8:32:58 AM PDT by A strike (Words can have gender, humans cannot.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
“Putin has 250,000 troops primed to take Kiev.”

I don't think Russia ever wanted to take Kiev, just the ethnic Russian areas.

47 posted on 08/11/2023 8:48:22 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: McGruff

I don’t think Putin ever wanted to take Kiev either but the military operation he planned to carry out sort of grew organically due to the EU/NATO continuing to supply Zelensky with hardware and munitions. I think now in order to obtain his original objective he has to at least temporarily occupy the entire country to make sure its demilitarized.


48 posted on 08/11/2023 9:11:48 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: A strike

The only option the Russians have to stop it are nukes.

Their military, particularly their Air Force, are demonstrably inept.

Imagine if we invaded Mexico, got pushed back from half the territory we seized in the first three weeks, and were still putzing around a year and half later while Mexican drones hit D.C. and Blackwater contractors went on a road trip shooting down military planes and helicopters while threatening to overthrow the Chairman of the Joint Staff because of the suicidal front line orders issued month after month?

Putin’s Special Military Olympics have been a sight to behold.


49 posted on 08/11/2023 9:28:56 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

“The only options the Russians have to stop it are nukes.”
You think the Russians cannot kick NATO butt? Don’t be such a vampiress Nuland dumb@$$.


50 posted on 08/11/2023 10:34:46 AM PDT by A strike (Words can have gender, humans cannot.)
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To: A strike
You think the Russians cannot kick NATO butt?

No, I don't think they can. They'd get smoked. They have all they can handle with poor little Ukraine. They simply have nothing like our professional military that has been conducting operations around the globe for over 30 years. Their logistics don't even use pallets, fer crissakes!

Again, try to imagine the U.S. getting handed their ass like this:


51 posted on 08/11/2023 10:58:54 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

“They’d get smoked.” Not without ammunition. or doesn’t that pierce your ‘thinking’.
Don’t be such a vampiress Nuland dumb@$$.

If Ukraine/NATO/US coulda done it, they woulda done it.
Since you’re not too smart, this IS a US/NATO-Russia war.


52 posted on 08/11/2023 11:15:42 AM PDT by A strike (Words can have gender, humans cannot.)
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To: A strike

Ukraine doesn’t have 2000+ combat aircraft, half of which are 5th gen stealth fighters, the worlds best SEAD capabilities, a fleet of 600+ ships, thousands of long range missiles, unlimited supplies of aircraft munitions, etc.

You are making irrelevant assumptions about one category, of 155mm howitzer ammo, being used in a way that doesnt match NATO doctrine.

NATO will destroy all air defenses, obtain air supremacy, “isolate” any battlefield, destroy all tactical systems in it including all enemy artillery, and then roll over the remnants.


53 posted on 08/11/2023 1:30:15 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: A strike

One needs to do a bit of research first.
I suggest you start here.

https://www.scribd.com/document/633387830/The-Military-Balance-2023-pdf


54 posted on 08/11/2023 1:44:27 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Reverend Wright

What you say makes sense as I agree with the Operative that the F16’s aren’t about to approach the line of contact, but the test will be when the F16s are several hundred miles to the east and the Russians fire off their S400s. The S400 travel at 3 miles per second, so in about 100 seconds, they’ll go 300 miles (500 clicks, as we say in military lingo). The question is whether the F16s can make it to the ground and somehow protected from the S400 ready to run up their Afterburner Butt, in under 2 minutes.

I guess we’ll find out.


55 posted on 08/11/2023 2:20:49 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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To: McGruff

“I don’t think Russia ever wanted to take Kiev, just the ethnic Russian areas.”

They CLEARLY did not, and even the Operatives know that. But wars almost always develop in unexpected ways, and so the Russians, at this point, likely have no choice other than to liberate Kiev (or Keev, for the Leftists).


56 posted on 08/11/2023 2:29:29 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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To: BobL

My guess is the F16 will fail just like the Bradleys and Leopards.

Huge hype, with major underperformance, and really no better than the Russian vehicles, and in some aspects worse.

They they will start demanding F35s.


57 posted on 08/11/2023 2:29:52 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

” I think now in order to obtain his original objective he has to at least temporarily occupy the entire country to make sure its demilitarized.”

Well stated.


58 posted on 08/11/2023 2:30:36 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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To: Gunslingr3

“The only option the Russians have to stop it are nukes.”

Makes it REALLY EASY to know not to bother with your posts.


59 posted on 08/11/2023 2:31:26 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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To: Reverend Wright

“They they will start demanding F35s.”

Good point, might as well accept that the demand for F35s will be next.


60 posted on 08/11/2023 2:33:15 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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