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China's Ukraine peace talks gambit shows shifts amid hard realities
Japan Times ^ | 8/6/2023 | Reuters

Posted on 08/06/2023 1:15:07 PM PDT by marcusmaximus

China's decision to join international talks in Saudi Arabia over the weekend seeking to end Russia's war in Ukraine signals possible shifts in Beijing's approach but not a U-turn in its support for Moscow, analysts say. While Beijing declined to join earlier talks in NATO member Denmark, analysts said it feels far more comfortable joining the effort in Saudi Arabia, even if Russia is not present and Ukraine is pushing its own plan.

China has refused to condemn Moscow for the invasion it launched in February 2022 but has offered its own peace plan and Beijing appears to be confronting some hard realities as the conflict drags on.

"Beijing has been gearing more toward peace efforts but it also knows that a peace initiative led by Beijing is unlikely to be embraced by the West at this point," said Yun Sun, a director of the China program at the Stimson Center think tank in Washington.

"Beijing will not want to be absent from other credible peace initiatives that are led by non-Western countries."

Peace envoy Li Hui was joining senior officials from some 40 countries in Jeddah, China's foreign ministry said on Friday, for talks that Ukrainian and Western envoys hope will forge key principles for an eventual settlement to end the war.

Beijing's latest move on the global diplomatic stage comes as President Xi Jinping grapples with a host of internal issues, including the unexplained replacement last month of Qin Gang as foreign minister, the abrupt replacement of the top brass at the People's Liberation Army Rocket Force and deepening woes for the world's second-biggest economy.

China has been courting oil giant Saudi Arabia, which is part of the non-aligned Global South, which China is keen to lead.

(Excerpt) Read more at japantimes.co.jp ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; lauriechen; martinquinpollard; putin; russia; saudiarabia; ukraine
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1 posted on 08/06/2023 1:15:07 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

Basically no one takes the US seriously anymore. Can’t say I blame them.


2 posted on 08/06/2023 1:16:59 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Putin’s gone under the bus. That part of the world is moving on.


3 posted on 08/06/2023 1:18:57 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus
Only a day or two ago, the first day of this conference was reprting that all were in agreement more or less, with absent Russia being not a player.

The, " 'Beijing has been gearing more toward peace efforts but it also knows that a peace initiative led by Beijing is unlikely to be embraced by the West at this point,' said Yun Sun, a director of the China program at the Stimson Center think tank in Washington."

There is no question there will be a peace plan. There have been plenty of them. There is also no question that this war will one day end in favor of one side, or the other. Time will tell. Changing narratives won't.

4 posted on 08/06/2023 1:20:48 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

The final peace plan will be brokered by Saudi Arabia.


5 posted on 08/06/2023 1:22:30 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: dfwgator

No one takes Russia seriously any more.
Except for China, North Korea, Cuba, Belarus, Venezuela, Nicaragua and IRAN.

They all happen to be the planets last Communist nations by the way..., except for Iran. Iran is an Islamic State wanting the death of America the “great Satan”, and the death our greatest ally in the region : Israel.


6 posted on 08/06/2023 1:33:15 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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--- "The final peace plan will be brokered by Saudi Arabia."

You might be correct. You might also be incorrect. Time will tell. I so hesitate to foretell -- that word variant to "tell" -- because it seems the Delphic oracle game of the day. From climate change to coming pandemics to economic issues. Based on past examples of telling the future, I am reticent to foretell. In this I am sure we disagree.

7 posted on 08/06/2023 1:34:07 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: marcusmaximus

It is an Asian problem, Let Asians solve it.
I never accepted Europe as not being Asia.
using the Urals as a border line was an invention of some Englishman.


8 posted on 08/06/2023 1:44:44 PM PDT by rellic
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To: USA-FRANCE

India.

Kazahkstan. UAE. Venezuela.

Communism isn’t the common denominator. Isms are defined by that substance called money created from nothingness by central banks.

Rather, places with actual wealth. Oil. Uranium. Dollars created whimsically are less impressive than millions of barrels/day.


9 posted on 08/06/2023 1:50:19 PM PDT by Owen
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To: marcusmaximus

Thanks for the fake hopium


10 posted on 08/06/2023 1:52:38 PM PDT by norsky ( <P> <a href= > </a> <h3> <P><img src=" "width=500"></img> )
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To: marcusmaximus

More speculation. Seems most news reports these days are predictions of the future.


11 posted on 08/06/2023 1:57:26 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Owen
While we locked horns sometimes in the Covid event, I offer kudos for your salient observation.

"Dollars created whimsically are less impressive than millions of barrels/day."

12 posted on 08/06/2023 2:00:45 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: McGruff

Crystal ball reading used to be confined to carnivals... now the bedrock of MSM news outlets.


13 posted on 08/06/2023 2:05:09 PM PDT by GOPJ (What are the odds both Biden WH idogs would only bite Secret Service Agents? NOT ONE CHANCE IN HELL)
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To: GOPJ

Obomao

Byedumb

Reduced this country

To a plo - hamas Kenya - somalia


14 posted on 08/06/2023 2:07:59 PM PDT by Firehath
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To: Firehath
--- "Obomao / Byedumb / Reduced this country / To a plo - hamas Kenya - somalia"

That's just not fair. You peeked! :)

15 posted on 08/06/2023 2:14:58 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: USA-FRANCE

You forgot Africa and others.

Israel isn’t an ally as far as I am concerned, and you are not part of “our”.
You’re a foreigner.


16 posted on 08/06/2023 2:56:05 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: GOPJ

Crystal ball reading used to be confined to carnivals... now the bedrock of MSM news outlets.

Post of the week.


17 posted on 08/06/2023 3:00:10 PM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas)
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To: USA-FRANCE

Algeria, Niger, Argentina, UAE, South Africa, Botswana, Burkino Fasa, Nigeria, India, Brazil, Angola, Mexico, Egypt, Bahrain, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Bolivia, Chad, Libya, Turkey,
Syria, Serbia, Kenya, and Namibia.

Hope this helps. Russia has a lot of friends besides the ones you mentioned.


18 posted on 08/06/2023 3:09:13 PM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas)
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To: MarMema

Thanks - I’ll make it a tag...


19 posted on 08/06/2023 3:15:27 PM PDT by GOPJ (Crystal ball reading used to be confined to carnivals... now the bedrock of MSM news outlets.)
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To: MarMema

WRONG.
Most of those you countries you mentioned are non-aligned.
They are not in alliance specifically with Russia at all!

And you mentioned Turkey. A NATO member!
You have been misinformed, obviously.


20 posted on 08/06/2023 5:04:30 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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