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To: ought-six
"routinely trot out the argument that what happens in Europe is not any of our business..."

It isn't any of our business. Fighting proxy wars to prevent the spread of communism, ended up with its being instilled in this country without a shot being fired. It came from within, not from overseas. The European Union and WEF are nothing more than a globalist group of snobs who want our money, and our souls. Waging another proxy war with Russia via Ukraine is what they wanted, and they got it.

Is it our business that Germany continued to rely on Russia for its oil these past 34 years since the Berlin Wall fell? Trump tried to warn them about their dependence, and they laughed at him.

I was born in 1947, so I missed WWII. I have spent my adult life studying various periods of history, as well as the wars we were involved in. I had two uncles who served overseas during the war, a brother who served in Vietnam in 1966-67, and although he had always wanted to be a soldier, saw first hand what a joke that war was. I also had a great-uncle who served in the Canadian Expeditionary Forces in WWI, who was killed in France two months before the Armistice. With all your jibber-jabber, you still didn't explain what national security interest there is for the U.S. in Ukraine.

36 posted on 08/04/2023 1:26:02 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: mass55th

We are around the same age. My father was a bomber pilot in ETO during WWII. Both my brother and I served during the Vietnam War. I have a nephew currently serving in the US Army who at this very time is in Eastern Europe. A family member was lost in the GWOT. I noticed, however, that you mentioned nothing about YOU ever having served; just other members of your family. Yet, you subscribe to a Civil War regiment as a screen name. So, perhaps you like to surround yourself with a military aura, but did not personally earn it. That’s okay; and is kind of like kids who never played a down of football in their lives hanging posters of some pro football star on their bedroom walls.

But, like you, I have also studied history ever since I was a little kid; and I still read history— avidly. My university degree is in history.

“With all your jibber-jabber, you still didn’t explain what national security interest there is for the U.S. in Ukraine.”

Is our economic health a national security interest? Is our global trade and commerce a national security interest?
Is keeping close tabs on countries that wish us ill, and have wished us ill for generations a national security interest? Is the fact that — because of modern armaments and weaponry with international ranges — we no longer enjoy the security of the once formidable buffers of two huge oceans (two oceans that at this very moment have submarines and warships from countries that wish us ill sailing in those waters) not a national security interest?

You may read history, but I think perhaps you failed to comprehend it. Because history is chock full of unprepared or naive countries or societies being crushed by other countries or societies that WERE prepared and were anything BUT naive when it came to what they wanted, and how to get it.

We don’t live in Pollyannaland. We live in the real world; a world filled with the most barbarous, treacherous, untrustworthy, venal, and warlike creature ever to draw breath: Man. THAT is the real story of history. That is reality. And we must forever be on guard because of that reality.


47 posted on 08/04/2023 2:04:11 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: mass55th

“also had a great-uncle who served in the Canadian Expeditionary Forces in WWI, who was killed in France two months before the Armistice”

My Grandmothers older brother was killed November 7 1918.
All that was returned was some personal effects and his Bible.
Now I retain his Bible in my personal effects.


54 posted on 08/04/2023 2:29:37 PM PDT by Right Brigade (It was better before they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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