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Vivek Ramaswamy: Not Constitutionally Eligible to Be President
/thenewamerican.com ^ | 8/3/2023 | by Joe Wolverton

Posted on 08/04/2023 11:32:59 AM PDT by bitt

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To: Macho MAGA Man
Actually that thread was over 400 replies. I created it.

There is more than one thread. I am on both of them. One of them is just barely over 200 replies.

This one.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4169134/posts?q=1&;page=151

61 posted on 08/04/2023 12:15:02 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: bitt

Obama was/is a Kenyan citizen with a stolen Social Security Number


62 posted on 08/04/2023 12:15:40 PM PDT by butlerweave
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To: bitt

Ask the Kenyan marxist if it matters.

In fact. Ask the democrats if the constitution matters about anything.


63 posted on 08/04/2023 12:17:42 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: bitt

Take this tired, worn out, tedious bull shit and stick it in your ear. Numerous courts have held that you are blowing hot air out your fundament so just shut up.


64 posted on 08/04/2023 12:17:42 PM PDT by Bayan
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To: Macoozie
14th was for former Slaves- NOT just anybody.

That's strange, my copy of the 14th Amendment says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." not "All former slaves...."

Legislative intent can only be used to construe an ambiguous provision. "All persons" is pretty damned unambiguous.

65 posted on 08/04/2023 12:17:50 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy ( Dementia Joe is Not My President)
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To: EEGator
More than any thread discussing energy policy, immigration, crime or economics.

We really have our eyes on the prize here…

Most of us know that nothing we say here is likely to have any significant impact on energy, immigration, crime or economics. Many of us are aware that our discussions are often just Academic, and some people just want to discuss different things.

But if you have any ideas how we can do something about energy policy, immigration, crime or economics, i'm all ears.

66 posted on 08/04/2023 12:20:27 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: ridesthemiles
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5

That is not a definition. Just a statement of requirement.

67 posted on 08/04/2023 12:21:30 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: DiogenesLamp

You’re being a twat, not all ears.


68 posted on 08/04/2023 12:21:47 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: bitt
Beware of people write JD after their name or call themselves “doctor” when they can’t prescribe medication.

There is not one legal citation in this article by the JD who incidentally was suspended from practicing law in Tennessee.

Vivek was born in the United States and therefore is a natural born citizen. See 2 United States Supreme Court decisions:
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) and Weedin v. Chin Bow, 274 U.S. 657 (1927)

69 posted on 08/04/2023 12:21:58 PM PDT by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Goldwater in 2024)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I finally found this. Had it years ago, and then lost it. Now i've gotten it back.

James Madison wrote a letter to George Washington, shortly after the end of the Constitutional Convention (Oct 18, 1787). The letter was in defense of the work of the Constitutional Convention against criticisms by George Mason. One such criticism was that the “the common law was not secured” by the proposed Constitution. Madison’s response to that charge:

"The common law is nothing more than the unwritten law, and is left by all the constitutions [of the several States] equally liable to legislative alterations. I am not sure that any notice is particularly taken of it in the Constitutions of the States. If there is, nothing more is provided than a general declaration that it shall continue along with other branches of law to be in force till legally changed. The Constitution of Virga. [Virginia] drawn up by Col Mason himself, is absolutely silent on the subject. An ordinance passed during the same Session, declared the Common law as heretofore & all Statutes of prior date to the 4 of James I. to be still the law of the land, merely to obviate pretexts that the separation from G. Britain threw us into a State of nature, and abolished all civil rights and Obligations. Since the Revolution every State has made great inroads & with great propriety in many instances on this monarchical code. The “revisal of the laws” by a Committee of wch. Col. Mason was a member, though not an acting one, abounds with such innovations. The abolition of the right of primogeniture, which I am sure Col. Mason does not disapprove, falls under this head. What could the Convention have done? If they had in general terms declared the Common law to be in force, they would have broken in upon the legal Code of every State in the most material points: they wd. have done more, they would have brought over from G.B. a thousand heterogeneous & antirepublican doctrines, and even the ecclesiastical Hierarchy itself, for that is a part of the Common law. If they had undertaken a discrimination, they must have formed a digest of laws, instead of a Constitution."

70 posted on 08/04/2023 12:23:57 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Seruzawa
I hope you are doing this for fun because otherwise you waste your time arguing to no good purpose. These NBC threads are similar to Q or chemtrails or fake moon landing or sovereign citizen, etc.,

Except that they are based in facts and evidence while those other things are not.

71 posted on 08/04/2023 12:25:31 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

John Jay in a letter to George Washington.

——Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolved on, any but a natural born Citizen.-——

Why would the founders want someone who could be the citizen of another country by virtue of their parents or just the fathers foreigner status to be in charge of the armed forces? Coming out of the revolution hard to say someone who could be British could be president. Obama’s father was British citizen and he could have claimed British citizenship instead of US. I believe dual citizenship or the ability to claim it is contrary to the meaning of “natural born”

When I am on the USSC that’s how I will rule.


72 posted on 08/04/2023 12:26:25 PM PDT by coalminersson
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To: bitt
By that definition, people born of fathers who are not U.S citizens are not natural born. Neither Chester Arthur, whose father was born in Ireland and thus was a British subject at the time of his birth, nor Barack Obama, whose stated father was a native of Uganda and, at that time, a British subject, were thus ineligible to be President. By that definition, Kamala Harris, born of an Indian mother and Jamaican father, is also ineligible. However, the failure to successfully challenge Arthur's or Obama's Presidential eligibility in the courts may make the natural born citizen definition a dead letter. The 14th Amendment definition apparently supercedes it.
73 posted on 08/04/2023 12:26:45 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Dilbert San Diego

If we can work UFO’s into the discussion this thread can easily top 400! :^)


74 posted on 08/04/2023 12:28:17 PM PDT by chickenlips (Neuter your politicians)
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To: bitt

Dead Horse.


75 posted on 08/04/2023 12:29:25 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (I got the <ΙΧΘΥΣ>< variant. Catch it. John 3:16)
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To: zeestephen

> As to Natural Born Citizenship and eligibility to be President of the USA? As far as I as know, the issue has NEVER been litigated. <

A little-known requirement is residency in the United States for at least 14 years. Well, in 1928 Herbert Hoover ran for president. Hoover had resided in the US for 14 years, but not the LAST 14. (He was overseas doing relief work.)

Was Hoover eligible? There was some debate about this. The courts kept silent, and let the voters decide. The voters said “yes”, and Hoover was elected.

The same will always happen with this natural born thing.


76 posted on 08/04/2023 12:29:26 PM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: bitt

Nor is Cruz, Nikki Haley (sp?), 0bola, or Kamela Harris.

Or any of Trump’s children other than Tiffany, as their mothers were not citizens at the time of their births.


77 posted on 08/04/2023 12:29:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Never worry about anything. Worry never solved any problem or moved any stone.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
There are two (and only two) types of citizens: natural born citizens and naturalized citizens. You are a natural born citizen if you are automatically a citizen at the time of your birth under the laws of the United States that were then in effect.

Like Mario Bellei. (Rogers vs Bellei)

Pray tell, how does an American citizen lose his citizenship by doing nothing?

If you were not automatically a citizen at the time of your birth then you can only become a naturalized citizen.

Many of our citizens are naturalized at birth, just as Mario Bellei was.

Under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Yes. One big naturalization statute. Last week I was reading through the debates on the 14th amendment. They flat out say it is a naturalization. Congress *ONLY* has the power of naturalization. They can't speak creatures into existence. Only God can do that.

They can pass a law that turns a person who is *NOT* a citizen, into a citizen, and they can declare that this is done "at birth".

This does not make someone a "natural citizen", it makes them a "naturalized at birth" citizen.

Ramaswamy was born in the United States to parents who were legal aliens and, therefore, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. That makes him a natural born citizen.

The 14th amendment does not use the term "natural born citizen." Had they tried to put that in there while everyone knew their intent was to naturalize former slaves, they would have probably provoked a riot.

They are not "natural born citizens", they are naturalized born citizens."

And Wong Kim Ark also doesn't say "Natural born citizen."

It just says "citizen."

78 posted on 08/04/2023 12:31:31 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: bitt

“There are many who have been taught to believe that simply being born in the United States makes one a natural-born citizen.”

Even assuming that his parents were not naturalized until after he was born, that is still an issue here. The rest of the article is a lot of wind. I suspect the Supreme Court would rule that he is a natural born citizen, irrespective of when the parents were naturalized, assuming they were here legally. If the parents had been naturalized first, or at least one of them, then it’s a virtual certainty. I suspect the court would say the real issue is whether he was a citizen from birth or was naturalized later. So it really doesn’t depend on where he was born at all or who his parents were. It simply depends on whether it was his birth that made him a citizen. I think there is an exception to that for people born in countries that were later annexed by the US, who are treated as natural born citizens anyway.

He clearly did not go thru the naturalization process so if the writer is correct then he’s not a citizen at all, much less a natural born one. I doubt the court would say that.

But since this continues to be an issue, it would be good for the Supreme Court to rule.


79 posted on 08/04/2023 12:31:55 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: zeestephen
EVERY court case since the 1880s that has involved the USA citizenship of a person born within the USA has been decided in favor of USA citizenship.

And which of them were at the constitutional convention, and therefore know what they are talking about?

As far as I as know, the issue has NEVER been litigated.

I think there was a case filed against Woodrow Wilson's opponent, Charles Evan Hughes.

I think it was dropped because Charles Evan Hughes lost the election, rendering it moot.

80 posted on 08/04/2023 12:34:18 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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