Zelensky Declares it Is ‘Absolutely Fair’ For Ukraine to Attack Targets Inside Russia

Breitbart ^ | 07/31/2023 | KURT ZINDULKA

[caww]

Zelensky’s pushing again for Nuclear War and or Nato war directly with Russia.....the scab will do whatevr it takes to get either. One way or the other Zelensky is dtermind to make this happen.

[Flavious_Maximus]

Or to attack targets in Washington DC. /spit

[Redmen4ever]

I served in the U.S. military as a young man, but I’m not so old that I would let you Russians take over this country.

As for your inability to conquer a nation of 44 million people (backed up materially by the NATO alliance), what do you think this implies for your chances against the billion-strong NATO alliance?

You’re North Korea, only with more nukes.

[BigFreakinToad]

perfectly fair for Russia to shove a nuke up your tailpipe too.

[kabar]

In addition to raising the level of escalation in hopes that NATO will intervene directly, Zelensky is conducting these pinprick attacks against Moscow to bolster domestic morale, similar to the Doolittle raid on Tokyo on April 18, 1942. But the analogy ends there because Ukraine is not the US.

No matter how much money, weapons, and ammo we send to Ukraine, they cannot "defeat" Russia, whatever that means. And Zelensky's call to reclaim Crimea is totally unrealistic. It is as much a part of Russia as Moscow and the home of Russia's Black Sea navy. Russia will defend this territory by any means necessary, including the use of nuclear weapons.

We should also take note of the timing of all this as Congress debates the supplemental for Ukraine.

[wildcard_redneck]

"I served in the U.S. military as a young man, but I’m not so old that I would let you Russians take over this country.
As for your inability to conquer a nation of 44 million people (backed up materially by the NATO alliance), what do you think this implies for your chances against the billion-strong NATO alliance?
You’re North Korea, only with more nukes."

Funny, the "gas station with nukes" has fought America and NATO to a standstill and depleted their armories to a point that their inability to mass produce weapons has been exposed. Right now America has been exposed as the Louis Vuitton of weapons manufacurers - great quality but way overpriced and very limited availability. We are currently a super power with no clothes.

[yldstrk]

Zelensky can’t think straight. He needs to defend his country not play with fire.

[kabar]

Russia's lackluster military performance in Ukraine demonstrates that Russia is no conventional military threat to Europe. They don't have the capability to invade and occupy Europe.

Russia is an aging nation of 142 million with a declining population. The EU dwarfs Russia economically and demographically. Why should the US foot most of the bill for this conflict? We have borrowed close to $200 billion and counting to fund this war. Europe should be able to shoulder most of the bill with the US providing the nuclear umbrella.

We can't afford these endless wars that don't involve our vital national security interests. Do we trust the Biden National Security Team to take the correct actions in this conflict? Remember it was many of the same players in the Obama/Biden administration that engineered the 2014 coup in Ukraine that led to the separatist movement in the Donbas and the Russian annexation of Crimea. This war has been going on since 2014.

Bob Gates said Biden "been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades." And now we know that Biden is compromised when it comes to Ukraine. How does that affect his decision-making?

[Redmen4ever]

Russia has fought the U.S. and NATO to a standstill ...

As of 1991 (and the fall of the Berlin Wall), the NATO alliance and the Warsaw Pact were of roughly equal size in terms of population.

Today, Russia + Belarus total about 152 million, while the NATO alliance totals almost 1 billion. The discrepancy in GDP is several times more.

Russians are paranoid not because they’re expanding, but because they feel (and now are) shrinking and isolated. However, paranoid plus nuclear weapons make Russia dangerous.

I don’t know that you are capable of understanding this even when you’re sober, but back in the days Russia was led by people who believed in communism. They thought they’d eventually win their ideological struggle with the west. The leaders of the west thought the same thing. They thought they’d eventually win. Neither side was interested in risking a nuclear war since each side thought they’d eventually win. Yes, we had conflicts and even got into some minor wars, but we were never really at risk of nuclear war.

Things are different now with the gangsters in charge of Russia. At least Putin is sober. Is Medvedev ever sober? That guy crawled into a bottle back in 2012. He’s been talking non-stop about nuclear war for months now.

We are living in dangerous times. Hence, NATO is stronger than ever.

[dforest]

He can do whatever he wants as long as it doesn’t force us in his pranks.

Ukraine just isn’t worth it.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Hey, n00b. FR is not a globalist leftist website.

[wildcard_redneck]

"We are living in dangerous times. Hence, NATO is stronger than ever."

NATO is not weak! NATO is strong!

Germany is deindustrializing, the EU is a awash with illegal muslim immigration and riots and getting poorer by the day, and the West's inability to produce weapons is pitiful - all due to a bunch of Ivy League idiots who thought outsourcing America's industry to break the middle class was a bright idea.

You sir, write like a delusional drunk.

[kabar]

Our woke military has been devastated by Biden. We have recruitment and retention problems. Drag shows for children are being performed on our bases. The US military pays for transgender surgery and is now fighting to fund travel for abortion services. Milley was worried about white rage and his racist replacement, Brown, is concerned that we have too many white pilots. Climate change is viewed as the biggest threat.

Our war reserve stocks are being depleted and it will take years to replenish. Is the United States Running out of Weapons to Send to Ukraine?

"A CSIS study examined the ability of the defense industrial base to replace inventories in an emergency and found that the process would take many years for most items. The problem is that the defense industrial base is sized for peacetime production rates. Surge capabilities have been regarded as wasteful, buying factory capacity that was not planned to be used. Conversion of civilian industry to wartime production is theoretically possible but a long process. In World War II, that conversion took two to three years in a society and economy that was fully mobilized."

[Mariner]

Did somebody say it was not fair?

This is not a game. There is no fair or foul.

[Obadiah]

Sad, ain’t it? But that’s the unvarnished truth about the west.

[wildcard_redneck]

The crypto-leftists war cheerleaders are so mendacious that they probably are unable to truthfully define what a woman is.

[kabar]

Russians are paranoid not because they’re expanding, but because they feel (and now are) shrinking and isolated. However, paranoid plus nuclear weapons make Russia dangerous.

NATO expansion feeds into that paranoia. In 1997 George Kennan declared that expanding NATO to the east “would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-cold-war era.”

“Such a decision,” he went on, “may be expected to inflame the nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion; to have an adverse effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the atmosphere of the cold war to East-West relations.”

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Yes, we had conflicts and even got into some minor wars, but we were never really at risk of nuclear war.

The Cuban missile crisis was the closest we have ever been to nuclear war. We were really at risk for a nuclear war as it was disclosed later that some top officials in the Kennedy Administration sent their families out of Washington DC. Both sides blinked. The Soviets reversed their decision to station missiles in Cuba, and we removed IRBMs from Turkey. In any successful negotiation, both sides must have face-saving exits.

We are living in dangerous times. Hence, NATO is stronger than ever.

NATO was far stronger when I was assigned to a NATO command in Italy 1968-70. Military expenditures among NATO countries have declined as a percentage of GDP. We had better interoperability.

Only a handful of NATO members have met their obligation of 2% GDP on defense. How can we square that with Article 5? If these countries don’t have the commitment to provide for their own defense, why should we continue to pay the lion’s share of the costs to defend Europe.

Burden sharing has been an issue in NATO for many decades. Uncle Sap has been providing the security umbrella for Europe since the end of WWII. The Europeans have created generous welfare states in lieu of defense spending. As a result, the militaries of these countries have been in steady decline for decades. Interoperability is a joke. Without the US, NATO is a paper tiger. It has become a toothless bureaucracy in a billion dollar headquarters in Brussels.

--NATO member states agreed at the summit in 2014 to spend, or to move towards spending, 2% of GDP on defense. In 2023, only 11 of 30 countries will reach that goal.

--Since the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the largest increases in defense spending occurred on NATO’s Eastern flank.

--Overall defense spending of NATO plus candidate Sweden will top 1.2 trillion euros, or 2.6% of total GDP. However, the high percentage is due to US spending, which accounts for more than two-thirds of the total.

--Without the United States, the combined defense spending of the remaining members would only reach 1.8% of GDP. The shortfall to the 2% target amounts to more than 50bn euros.

--The largest shortfalls in 2023 will be posted (in euros) by Germany (17bn), Canada (14bn), Spain (12bn) and Italy (10bn). The largest surpluses will occur (in euros) in the USA (330bn), Poland (17bn) and the UK (7bn).

We have started a new Cold War, driven Russia and China closer together, placed the dollar as the world's reserve currency in danger, sparked a global political realignment, and raised the specter of an unintended nuclear war. Over Ukraine? We are stuck to this tar baby and don't know how to get unstuck. The more more we get involved, the more ensnared we become.

NATO is an organization in search of a mission. Russia is not a conventional military threat to Europe.

[Redmen4ever]

Some people are so delusional, for them it comes down to war.

But, there’s no need for argument or for war.

Eventually all corrupt systems collapse. Until then, people can argue anything they want. After then, it’s kind of obvious for a time. Later - when people forget - the old arguments are revived.

All we - in the west - have to do is wait for you in Russia to collapse. You’ve collapsed already multiple times. After you were defeated by Japan, after you were defeated by Germany in WWI, and after you were defeated in Afghanistan.

Our long-run priority is to stabilize the line separating us from you and then wait. (In the short-run, our priority is to allow the Ukrainians to reposition the line as best as they can.)

We, in the west don’t want anything to have anything to do with you. We don’t need your oil. You think Crimea is a resort, we choose among the Mediterranean, the Caribbean, California and Hawaii. Our vodka is better.

Where Putin and the oligarchs will stash their mansions, their yachts and their concubines when you don’t have hard currency I don’t know. But, let me guess, Upper Volta or one of those other African dictators you prop up with the Wagner Group.

[wildcard_redneck]

What a load of crap. The next thing you will be commenting on is that Hunter Biden is not a perverted crackhead.

President Biden Trump was impeached for asking a foreign leader, Saint George Washington Zelensky, to examine the corruption of the Biden family with Ukraine while he put a hold on approved foreign aid to Ukraine. This war is a coverup cheered on by bloodthirsty idiots and creepy neocons.

[Parley Baer]

I have to agree with Zelensky on this one.