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To: Macho MAGA Man

The simple fact is that Citizenship at birth is defined by the 14th Amendment. That supersedes the common law interpretation in the Original Constitution. So now, if you were born a Citizen under the 14th Amendment you are a Natural Born Citizen for all intents and purposes.

Get over it. You won’t win this argument in any court in the nation.


72 posted on 07/27/2023 2:00:13 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (I got the <ΙΧΘΥΣ>< variant. Catch it. John 3:16)
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To: P-Marlowe

Wrong!

Nowhere in the 14th Amendment are the words “natural born Citizen”.

If you know where it’s located the please post it. Thanks!


75 posted on 07/27/2023 2:03:21 PM PDT by Macho MAGA Man (The last two weren't balloons. One was a cylindrical objects )
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To: P-Marlowe

The simple fact is that Citizenship at birth is defined by the 14th Amendment. That supersedes the common law interpretation in the Original Constitution.


Please provide a source document referencing how an amendment “superseds” the Constitution. I’ll wait..

A person born on US soil is a “citizen at birth”, true...regardless of origin of parents, but not catagorized as a “Natural Born Citizen”...Which requires two “Citizen Parents”.


88 posted on 07/27/2023 2:09:45 PM PDT by AFret. (.)
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To: P-Marlowe
The simple fact is that Citizenship at birth is defined by the 14th Amendment.

I have spent much of the day perusing the debates on the 14th amendment. They flat out say it's "naturalization" in those debates. And it is.

Congress only has the power of "naturalization." It cannot make natural what is not already natural. It can only naturalize.

That supersedes the common law interpretation in the Original Constitution.

And here is another error. The "common law" is not the source of citizenship. "Common law" deals with subjects. You won't find the word "citizen" anywhere in the common law.

The word "citizen" does not actually come from England. It is a Swiss word. (Look it up on Etymology online.)

Why would we be using a Swiss word instead of the common law English word "Subject"?

So now, if you were born a Citizen under the 14th Amendment you are a Natural Born Citizen for all intents and purposes.

Well this is certainly true, but only because the modern courts are so hive mind locked that they won't bother to consider any other possibility.

It's one of the deficiencies in our hide bound "precedent" based legal system.

Get over it. You won’t win this argument in any court in the nation.

Which means something legally, but means nothing factually.

254 posted on 07/27/2023 6:02:26 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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