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To: DiogenesLamp
Hawaii will issue birth certificates to people *NOT* born in Hawaii. The only requirement is one of their parents must be a Hawaii resident.

So a piece of paper put out by Hawaii that claims Obama was born in Hawaii is not good evidence at all.

This statement makes no sense at all. Obama's COLB states that he was born in Hawaii. If he were born elsewhere, it would say that. Because Hawaii issues birth certificates to those not born in the state means that the Obama COLB is not authentic? That's just nonsense.

The birth certificate Obama released is a ridiculous forgery. There are so many things wrong with it that it is laughable that they thought they should even try that.

More nonsense. Polarik failed to prove that Obama's COLB was a forgery. No one has published a credible report that Obama's COLB was a forgery. And I'm the one who wants to believe what I want to believe?

... you are hopelessly naive about how things really work in this nation, and you are naive about human nature in general.

This is just a nasty personal attack, which I thought was forbidden here on Free Republic. I can see now why so many other Free Republic posters have a problem with you.

Your problem is that Stanley Ann was in Seattle in the latter part of August, and there is no reasonable way for her to get there after his birth. She had to already be in the area.

Triple nonsense. It would not have been impossible at all for Stanley and the baby to fly from Hawaii to Seattle. Perhaps not advisable, but certainly not impossible. That's your problem, not mine.

I never said he was born in Canada. I said the evidence makes it the most likely choice of where he was born.

Oh for goodness sakes, my apologies. I thought when you stated the evidence suggests he was born in Seattle, that you were stating that he was born in Seattle.

...you will simply dismiss any evidence that is not overwhelmingly compelling.

Yes, that's how it works. It's called substantiation.

You just want to look at everything that happens as confirming what you wish to believe.

Yes, I do.

Boy, you certainly are a nasty poster. Your comments generally make no sense and are only supported by conjecture and nothing more.

Any discussion with you is futile.

403 posted on 07/30/2023 5:26:52 PM PDT by Mervin Milgrim
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To: Mervin Milgrim
This statement makes no sense at all. Obama's COLB states that he was born in Hawaii. If he were born elsewhere, it would say that.

And you know that it would say this how? How do you know this? Have you ever heard of a state issuing birth certificates to someone who wasn't actually born there?

Well Hawaii does this. If you know that Hawaii will specify on a Hawaiian birth certificate that they were born somewhere else, why wouldn't that result in a birth certificate from somewhere else?

Because Hawaii issues birth certificates to those not born in the state means that the Obama COLB is not authentic?

See how you substitute "not authentic" for the real issue which is "NOT PROOF HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII."

Sure it's "authentic." It's an official state document of Hawaii. What it *IS'NT, is *PROOF* that he was born there.

This is not a hard concept. I'm surprised you are having trouble with it. If Hawaii will issue a birth certificate to someone not actually born in Hawaii, then how can you tell if they were actually born in Hawaii?

More nonsense. Polarik failed to prove that Obama's COLB was a forgery.

I don't know who this "Polarik" is that you keep mentioning. For someone who is pretending to be objective, you certainly know more than the average uninterested objective person.

No one has published a credible report that Obama's COLB was a forgery.

Well firstly I disagree. Secondly, I don't understand a person who has to have *SOMEONE ELSE* tell him what to think. You can look at the flaws in it, and they are myriad, and you can see for yourself that it's a fake cobbled together piece of garbage.

I've read a half dozen articles analyzing it, and they point out some pretty good flaws, like areas where some of the text curves around the page, while other places it doesn't. Different fonts in the same allegedly type written document. I haven't even gotten to the layer nonsense.

You don't see what you don't want to see.

And I'm the one who wants to believe what I want to believe?

That is very much what it seems like.

This is just a nasty personal attack, which I thought was forbidden here on Free Republic.

That is a "nasty personal attack"? You really *are* naive. You must have been sheltered or something. Calling someone "naive" is about as mild and milquetoast as it gets.

I can see now why so many other Free Republic posters have a problem with you.

How would you know that? According to your signup date, you've only been here for like a day or so. Went the rounds did we, and took a survey on what other people thought of me?

Or did people just volunteer that information unbidden?

I do not create my beliefs based on whether other people like them or not. I create my beliefs based on a weighing of evidence and thoughtful analysis.

I am not easily manipulated by peer pressure or what the "majority" supposedly thinks. I think for myself and I urge others to do likewise.

Oh, and for what it's worth, there are plenty of freepers who like me just fine.

Triple nonsense. It would not have been impossible at all for Stanley and the baby to fly from Hawaii to Seattle. Perhaps not advisable, but certainly not impossible.

Back in 2008, some of the freepers here tracked down the flight information for what was available in August of 1961. They found what airlines provided flights between Hawaii and Seattle, and then they looked at the airline's policies on women flying with infants.

They posted images of the actual airline books from that era in which they specified that women with infants less than a month old would not be permitted on the plane because the cabin pressure changes could rupture the infant's eardrums.

Those images are likely still on free republic back in the 2008-2009 era, but finding them will be difficult.

So no, Stanley Ann didn't get on an airplane after August 5th and get to Seattle somehow by August 19th.

The more rational explanation is that she was already there before the baby was born, and likely staying with Aunt Eleanor in Blaine Washington, where her and her husband were living at the time.

Oh for goodness sakes, my apologies. I thought when you stated the evidence suggests he was born in Seattle, that you were stating that he was born in Seattle.

Stanley Ann didn't have a place to live in Seattle unless one of her high school friends wanted to take her in. She had an Aunt Eleanor Belle Dunham Berkebile living in Blaine Washington, which borders White Rock Canada.

The only hospital is across the border in White Rock. There was no hospital in Blaine in 1961.

This is all circumstantial, and it cannot be considered as "proof" beyond a reasonable doubt.

Boy, you certainly are a nasty poster.

Again, you must have grown up in a sheltered environment. You should read some of the hate comments *I* get from time to time.

Your comments generally make no sense and are only supported by conjecture and nothing more.

Even if that is true, and I disagree that it is, my conjecture actually makes a lot more sense than what they tell us in the official narrative.

White girl gets pregnant with black man's child in 1961? Both parents are racists from Kansas. Grandma Dunham worked at a bank her whole life, and her co workers said they never knew she had a grandchild until Barack Obama ran for the Presidency. No pictures of him on her desk, not conversations about him with her coworkers, no usual grandmotherly love and pride.

Barack Obama Sr writes a letter to immigration officials in which he states that He and Stanley Ann had decided to put up the baby for adoption.

Stanley Ann gives birth in a Hawaiian hospital and immediately flies to Seattle to live by herself instead of staying there with her loving family? Where did she get the money? How did she afford to live in Seattle? Did Madelyn Dunham pay for everything?

Why did she leave?

You know what makes more sense? An embarrassing pregnancy gets sent to live with Aunt Eleanor. *THAT* is how things were done in that era.

The baby was to be put up for adoption and Stanley Ann changes her mind. Call mom and tells her that she's keeping him. Mom files the Hawaiian paperwork to make him a citizen, daughter comes back to Hawaii before the year is up. (Which she did.)

Any discussion with you is futile.

Well if I thought you didn't want to talk to me, I don't know if I could bear it.

404 posted on 07/30/2023 8:44:01 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Mervin Milgrim; DiogenesLamp; Bikkuri; Jane Long
This is just a nasty personal attack, which I thought was forbidden here on Free Republic.

Odd that you know that this is a BIG DEAL on Free Republic - the day after you were "born on" Free Republic...

You wrote, in your post #397: I found "Polarik"'s reports, posted here many years ago, to be amateurish and borderline incoherent.

You've been "lurking" for fifteen or more years?

Pull the other one. You haz a smell.

Wonder why it's so important to beat up on freeper DiogenesLamp? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

408 posted on 07/31/2023 6:03:31 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Mervin Milgrim; kiryandil; Bikkuri; DiogenesLamp

This is just a nasty personal attack, which I thought was forbidden here on Free Republic. I can see now why so many other Free Republic posters have a problem with you.


O, rly, Merv??

Welcome to FR.

What was your previous FR name…. Mr I know the FR Rules and Posters on Day Two, n00b?

Hmmmmm?


409 posted on 07/31/2023 6:19:11 PM PDT by Jane Long (What we were told was a conspiracy theory in ‘20 is now fact. Land of the sheep, home of the knaves)
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To: Mervin Milgrim; 2ndDivisionVet; 50mm; Arrowhead1952; Old Sarge; shibumi; .44 Special; 230FMJ; ...
Welcome Back NotWokeOrCommie... That was quick! You even had this account made a couple of hours before you were zotted (gotta be prepared, aye!).
One of the giveaways this time was that you hit the ground (forum) running.. using HTML in your first post. Not to mention that you are an Obunghole supporter...









*** H/T to Allegra & kiryandil ***













































416 posted on 07/31/2023 9:20:24 PM PDT by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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To: Mervin Milgrim
Oh.. and on the same thread we all got to know you better BEFORE you were zotted.. 😉
417 posted on 07/31/2023 9:21:53 PM PDT by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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To: Mervin Milgrim

IBTZ again......


426 posted on 07/31/2023 10:28:27 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: Mervin Milgrim

Outflow sebator notwokeorcommie
Hello.


431 posted on 07/31/2023 11:34:32 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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To: Mervin Milgrim

IBTZ

You wouldnt happen to be jjfate would you. That guy was a total looser, just like you.

Z O T


Road Kill Beeber Association
ZOT ZOT ZOT

437 posted on 08/01/2023 5:26:53 AM PDT by Delta 21 (MAGA Republican is my pronoun.)
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