[Mat_Helm]

So what are you Ukrainian war enthusiasts pushing for or supporting? NATO involvement, U.S. boots on the ground, endless supply of weapons to kill more people, or any manner of other things that start World War III as a result? Just what more are you suggesting we should do other than try to end the conflict now?

[freeandfreezing]

I doubt anyone who supports Ukraine is a "war enthusiast". But typically the first step in stopping an invasion is to defeat the invaders.

Imagine some criminals invaded your house. What should happen? I think the first step is to regain control of your house and defeat the home invaders. How about you?

Would you give them the first floor in return for a promise not to come upstairs?

[buwaya]

“endless supply of weapons to kill more people”

Exactly that. To kill more Russian soldiers, until they decide to go home.