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500 days later, it is clear that fear of a free Ukraine fuelled Putin's war fever
EuroNews ^ | July 10, 2023 | Aleksandar Đokić

Posted on 07/17/2023 11:08:07 AM PDT by MeganC

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To: MeganC

Free? I’m not free. Free elections are a thing of the past in America. America is currently ruled by a 100% legit crime family. And as far as Ukraine is concerned, it is certainly not free under Zelensky.


61 posted on 07/17/2023 3:40:32 PM PDT by McCarthysGhost (q)
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To: BenLurkin

“Is Zelensky not part of the regime which was established in 2014?”

No. In 2014 he was making movies and Ukrainian TV shows. He didn’t start to get involved politically until 2018.


62 posted on 07/17/2023 3:54:45 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: McCarthysGhost

“Free? I’m not free. Free elections are a thing of the past in America. America is currently ruled by a 100% legit crime family. And as far as Ukraine is concerned, it is certainly not free under Zelensky.”

Well, perhaps you’d like to relocate to another country. Which one strikes your fancy?


63 posted on 07/17/2023 3:58:58 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: MeganC

Such b.s. Seriously.

Obambi and Putin agreed to split Ukraine (think Crimea). But then Joey was clearly so weak, Putin took advantage of the situation to take it all back.

Note that nothing happened between 2017 and Jan 2021.


64 posted on 07/17/2023 4:02:42 PM PDT by nicollo ("This is FR!")
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To: BenLurkin

“IIRC, the Ukraine had a democratically elected government which the current regime ousted in a coup d’état.”

Yanukovych was facing a no confidence vote in the Rada, and he knew he would not prevail. So, he beat feet to Russia in the 11th hour. That’s hardly being toppled in a coup; that’s being held to account, per Ukrainian law.


65 posted on 07/17/2023 4:04:21 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: MeganC

Well, since then, Zelensky has been creeping slowly but steadily into into being more like Putin with more heavy handed tactics.

But this article is garbage. Putin wants the Soviet Union back - he has said so. Any other reasoning is just propaganda to justify imperialist expansion.


66 posted on 07/17/2023 4:11:34 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: nicollo

During those years Trump was taking aggressive military actions against Russia, from ending Obama’s weapon boycott of Ukraine and he started shipping weapons to Ukraine, to reactivating V Corps and moving it closer to Russia, to Poland, building up our nuclear forces, and withdrawing from the INF treaty.


67 posted on 07/17/2023 4:29:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ought-six

Nah, that’s the coward’s way out. I think I’ll stick around and see what can be done to save my country thank you very much. But I am sick and tired of hearing the words “freedom” and “democracy” coming out of the mouths of our current Western leaders. How on earth are we fighting for freedom and democracy in Ukraine when we don’t have either here at home?


68 posted on 07/17/2023 4:39:45 PM PDT by McCarthysGhost (q)
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69 posted on 07/17/2023 4:53:19 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: McCarthysGhost

“Nah, that’s the coward’s way out. I think I’ll stick around and see what can be done to save my country thank you very much.”

I’m glad to hear that.

“But I am sick and tired of hearing the words ‘freedom’ and ‘democracy’ coming out of the mouths of our current Western leaders. How on earth are we fighting for freedom and democracy in Ukraine when we don’t have either here at home?”

Well, we are a republic, not a democracy; specifically, we are a constitutional republic. I am very much opposed to a pure democracy, because that is nothing but tyranny by majority. Our republic was specifically created to protect against that kind of tyranny. I prefer the term “self-rule” over “democracy;” but a constitutional one, where the rights of ALL are protected. Don’t fall into the trap of equating the government with freedom, because the government is the opposite of freedom. Our constitution established the government to ensure that the rights of the people were protected, which was its primary. Hence, our constitution created a limited government. Unfortunately, ne’er do-wells and egoists took control of government and instead of assuring the rights of the people were protected, took that limited power and increased it exponentially for their own benefit. We, the people, are not blameless, because we let them get away with it, to the extent we now have to face that which we allowed to metastasize.


70 posted on 07/17/2023 5:21:53 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

“Well, we are a republic, not a democracy; specifically, we are a constitutional republic.”

Yeah, yeah I know. Oftentimes, when people use the term American democracy they are merely referring to the right to vote and pick their own leaders and not the theoretical form of government called democracy.


71 posted on 07/17/2023 7:37:19 PM PDT by McCarthysGhost (q)
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To: MeganC

If Mexico ever showed designs of being “free”. it wo;uld certainly fuel “war fever” in the US - as it has done three times already.


72 posted on 07/17/2023 8:29:32 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Make the GOP illegal - everything else will follow)
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That might have made sense during the Cold War, but there has been a proliferation of travel between Russia and the outside world that has only grown exponentially over time. Heck — we have professional athletes who compete as Russians in international sports but spend 95% of their lives here in the U.S. There’s no controlling the narrative anymore — at least with people who WANT to know about things outside their own borders.


73 posted on 07/18/2023 5:41:33 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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