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Kerch Bridge Collapse Following Explosions
The Atlas News ^ | July 16, 2023 | Tessaron

Posted on 07/16/2023 7:21:40 PM PDT by Widget Jr

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To: hardspunned

Your comment is nonsensical.

The only absolute and indisputable fact is this one (even Putin would agree):

Russia has invaded Ukraine (an ally of the West and America) with 300.000 troops.

Russia has also illegaly ANNEXED 4 Ukrainian regions and Crimea.

Putin will also agree one this :

That there are no NATO-invading troops in Russia or in any of its allied countries : Iran, China, Cuba, Belarus, Venezuela, North Korea.

The West has not


321 posted on 07/17/2023 6:38:58 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: Jonty30; Sunsong

The GLOBALIST champion is now Russia (!) , since it made an alliance with... CHINA!

China is by far the most globalized nation in the history of humanity, as every one knows.


322 posted on 07/17/2023 6:48:02 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: Navy Patriot

Absolutely. It too bears repeating and needs to in the dictionary! The picture of guy ought to be Lindsay Graham since Biden already has Corruption and traitor.


323 posted on 07/17/2023 6:51:26 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: USA-FRANCE

Schwab said he intends to follow the China model on imposing their social credit system on the world.

China is probably aligned with Russia because they see as an opportunity to get Siberia back when Russia is weakened.

There are no good guys here, but the globalists are worse for us.


324 posted on 07/17/2023 6:55:05 PM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: Jonty30; All

The Problem is... “Globalism” is a complex concept that encompasses various approaches. While there is no definitive or universally agreed-upon categorization of globalism concepts.

I like certain kinds of globalism. For example when America sells and exports its goods. Buy and sell, import and export has been done for thousands of years, it’s the base of human civilization. The Romans did it, the Vikings were fantastically efficient at it. That’s the economy. Certain countries have things we don’t have but are despereatly in need of, and vice-versa. Thus, we trade and that’s all fine.

HOWEVER!! We should NOT import things we can do ourselves! When that happens it’s another type of “globalization”, and this one is BAD.

There is also a kind of “globalization” that is awfully inhumane - when it become fashion to mutilate children and changing their sexes for example. That is fascism.
The problem is that social networks are spreading such fascistic ideas pretending its “freedom” and “sweet”. In reality it’s “psy-terror-globalism”.

Here are four commonly recognized types of “Globalism”:
(We have to sort out what’s good in the them, and what has the to be eliminated).

Economic Globalism: This concept focuses on the integration and interdependence of national economies through the free flow of goods, services, capital, and technology across borders. Economic globalism emphasizes the benefits of international trade, globalization of markets, and the establishment of supranational organizations like the World Trade Organization (WTO).

Political Globalism: Political globalism pertains to the idea of increased global governance and cooperation among nations to address global challenges. It advocates for the formation of international institutions, such as the United Nations (UN), and the strengthening of global decision-making processes to promote peace, human rights, and environmental sustainability.

Cultural Globalism: Cultural globalism emphasizes the exchange and diffusion of ideas, values, and cultural practices among different societies. It recognizes the interconnectedness and intermingling of cultures through globalization processes, including increased travel, communication, and the dissemination of information and media worldwide.

Technological Globalism: Technological globalism refers to the rapid advancement and global spread of technology and information. It encompasses the development of digital communication networks, the internet, and the increasing accessibility of technology, which has facilitated global interconnectedness and transformed various aspects of human life, including business, education, and social interactions.


325 posted on 07/17/2023 8:17:53 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

The Russians were forced to act by a lying, threatening, hegemonic NATO. The US can send 2 1/2 million men 10,000 miles, be responsible for millions of deaths and the destruction of three countries for a decade in an attempt to prevent the first domino from falling. We can go 6000 miles, see a million innocents die looking for Saddam’s phantom yellow cake or kill a hundred thousand Afghans because the Saudis attacked us 9/11. Those crimes, I suppose, are just fine with you. When the Russians react to the greatest offensive military behemoth the world has ever seen knocking over their 16th and final domino while sitting on the Russian border, a days tank ride from Moscow, screaming forced regime change, you can’t understand. It’s simple minded, jingoistic following of the traitors in DC responsible for this entire crap show that emboldens the Obamas, Bidens, Soros and DC Uniparty warmongers to continue escalating this into WWIII. Just because Biden and Graham claim we should rule the world by force doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. The Russians never attacked us. We are attacking them.


326 posted on 07/17/2023 8:28:35 PM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Widget Jr

Depending on the back end of FR it could actually be really easy to identify bots and dormant troll accounts.

IP tracking isn’t as useful as heuristics.

There are posters here who are literally copying and pasting the same HTML into different posts on different threads, day after day. If they’re incapable of passing a Turing test, zot the bot.


327 posted on 07/18/2023 1:21:36 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: hardspunned

Where in the NATO Charter is any of this proxy war sanctioned, you ask.

It’s covered by the NATO partnership status. Ukraine supplied manpower and resources to NATO for years.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49188.htm might help.

Adjacent to NATO, the USA and UK and China have signed security guarantees to Ukraine specifically in relation to Ukraine having joined the npt. All three of those countries guaranteed Ukrainian “independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity” in the event that Russia took the nukes from Ukraine but then reneged on the Helsinki, Belovezha and Budapest agreements that IT TOO had signed.

Guess what. Russia broke those agreements by repeatedly trying through blackmail and invasion to turn Ukraine into another Chechnya.

Russia triggered the security guarantees. It reaps what it sows.

You think it’s NATO that Russia needs to worry about in Ukraine. No. The big one will be if Russia sets off ANY nuclear accident in Ukraine.

Because China, unlike Russia, has reinforced its commitment to Ukraine in the event Russia goes there.

You gonna tell China to copy Russia and break its own binding security guarantees to its partners? It’s not going to happen.

If even China won’t break its word when it comes to lasting security guarantees, NATO and the USA and UK shouldn’t either.

Us keeping our word isn’t the problem geopolitically, it’s a problem domestically because of the cost.

The Russian state’s pathological drive to break its word at every opportunity even when it makes absolutely no security, political or economic sense to do it,is a huge problem geopolitically but it’s also an act of incalculable self harm for all Russians who’ll never see any tangible benefit from Putin’s mad Chauvinist ambition to outdo Peter the Great.

China is quietly waiting for the retards in Moscow to take the next logical step and trigger China’s security guarantees to Ukraine by doing something spectacularly stupid to the NPPs Chernobyl, Zaporozhzhia or Khmelnytskyi.

Muscovy will howl and wail and get all butthurt if they go there and China joins NATO in combating the invasion of Ukraine... but they cannot say they weren’t warned.


328 posted on 07/18/2023 2:13:47 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: MalPearce

No, that is not a back door authorization for NATO to carry out aggressive, unprovoked hundred billion dollar proxy wars all over the world. Your interpretation is the neocon’s dream, a “right” to further American hegemony anywhere in the world.

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all“ Article 5

There is no authorization. This is an unprovoked war of US imperialism (woke pervo globalism).


329 posted on 07/18/2023 2:55:51 AM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: MalPearce; Zhang Fei; ought-six; Widget Jr; USA-FRANCE; Timber Rattler; MeganC; 2CAVTrooper; ...

How likely do you think it is if Putin’s rule continues to disintegrate that China will make a move into Siberia? If Putin actually uses any nuke, including tactical, or at the UPP, how much would that increase the likelihood of China moving on Siberian territory?


330 posted on 07/18/2023 3:02:57 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority!)
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To: USA-FRANCE; Widget Jr; Timber Rattler; Monterrosa-24; MeganC; MalPearce; ought-six; 2CAVTrooper; ...

Regarding Items 1) thru 8), The Bridge is only a problem because Russia has control of both Crimea and the Kerch Bridge. Once Ukraine wins back Crimea it will also have control of at least 1/2 of the bridge. Items 9) and 10) work in Ukraines favor. If this damn war ever ends and Russia is restored to a more normal, peaceful government, the Bridge will be useful for tourist trips and income from Russia.

A lot will have to be resolved as part of peace negotiations.
1) What happens to property rights regarding the Ukranians who owned land and homes in Crimea before 2014, and what happened to ownership as a result of conquest? What was illegal and what was legal transfer of ownership?
2) What inspection mechanism should be in place for users of the Bridge, especially coming from Russia, for weapons, drugs, and other illegal items?
3) What non-military uses might Russia be allowed to rent at Sevastapol and other ports for peaceful commerce with the rest of the world, including agricultural products. Needed would be a proper inspection process as in item 2).
4) Access by Ukraine to their ports on the Azov Sea will need to be regulated and negotiated. If Russia has ports on the Azov Sea this will also need similar resolution.

I was looking for information on this most recent damage to the Kerch Bridge and found the link below which also has picture(s) of the damage, some better than I have seen at this post:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b95zlfbW9yE


331 posted on 07/18/2023 3:29:29 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority!)
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To: gleeaikin

The longer this war goes on, the weaker Ruzzia gets, and the more likely it is China moves to retake their Siberian provinces.

Also, the Ruzzians issue daily nuclear threats to the point I am wondering if they really have a substantial nuclear force.

Remember a few months ago the endless hype about their dreaded ‘hypersonic’ missiles? And then when they used them it turned out they were nothing special? I have a feeling that with the Ruzzians the more they hype something the less likely it’s effective.

In short, the Ruzzian Bear is just a guy in a bear suit.


332 posted on 07/18/2023 4:20:44 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: hardspunned

Billion dollar proxy wars all over the world don’t change the fact that a stopped clock tells the correct time twice a day.

When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, the USA did the right thing by condemning the invasion, respecting the UN Charter principles, siding with Kuwait, and joining the coalition to put Saddam back in his box.

When Putin invaded Ukraine, the USA did the right thing by condemning the invasion, siding with Kuwait, and joining the coalition to put the mad taxi driver back in his box.

Nobody’s going to disagree with your wider point in relation to dozens of other conflicts where the USA acted entirely out of self interest without a UN Charter mandate, without international support, without any treaty obligation to excuse it.

This war started with an unprovoked war of Russian imperialism and the sheer fact that US imperialists benefit from the green light is neither here nor there.

This war in Ukraine would never have started if someone had done the world a favor and chucked three guys in Moscow out of a seventh storey window fifteen years ago. Those guys were Putin, Medvedev, and Dugin.


333 posted on 07/18/2023 5:50:49 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: gleeaikin

Siberia Is China
“...Could the Chinese use their northern troops in a battle for Taiwan? Probably yes, but this would be a tragic mistake. The immense and undefended spaces of southern Siberia and Russia’s Pacific coastal provinces would be an easier target. For a rational nation, which I hope China is, reaching the strategic goal of colonizing Siberia in a peaceful, profitable manner would be more desirable than engaging in a bloody, complicated battle for Taiwan. But such a task requires creative partners. It is waiting for a new Kissinger.

From the Ukrainian perspective, opening a front against Russia in the Far East would be a dream come true. Hopefully, it will not be needed.

A military defeat in Ukraine and a peaceful transformation of Siberia would cause decisive changes in Moscow. Together, they would be perceived as a major blow to Putin and his clique. They would change the leadership of the Kremlin, the Moscow regime and the very structure of Russia. The Federation would not survive, fracturing and altering the whole continent of Eurasia. Even communist, authoritarian China might change, finally growing into its long-deferred perestroika.

Just like Xi said to Putin: The changes are coming, changes on a scale we have not seen in a hundred years.”https://www.noemamag.com/putins-revanchism-opens-a-door-in-the-far-east-for-china/


334 posted on 07/18/2023 6:38:11 AM PDT by Sunsong
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To: gleeaikin
SAW THIS: GOOD PHOTO
335 posted on 07/18/2023 9:54:39 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion of Ukraine)
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To: gleeaikin

China’s security guarantees to Ukraine (and the preceding treaties) suggest that Russia will be “disowned” as that’s the closest translation in English.

Culturally, reneging on a deal of the magnitude of a binding nuclear nonaggression treaty and thereby forcing China to violate its own agreement to maintain a “lesser” agreement with Putin would be seen by China as an unforgivable betrayal... by Moscow.

Hence “disown” means, literally, terminating ALL alliance with Russia, refusing to even talk to the Kremlin.

At that point China will most likely talk to the other state leaders in the CIS.

Quite likely, at least two will quit the CIS and directly switch allegiance to Beijing.

Note, this scenario is completely predicated on Russia launching a nuclear attack, being seen to be making more than idle threats, or creating a nuclear accident inside Ukraine.

But if they do, I’d put money on China severing all diplomatic relations with Moscow.
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336 posted on 07/18/2023 12:55:54 PM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: mikegreenwell39
My Polish ancillary relatives (not direct as they came to ths nations in the 1860’s) may have participated in the execution of your anscestors- good riddance to bad company IMO Poland is much better off without the Khazar influence
Then you must have loved the Holocaust, neo-nazi troll

PS. The Khazar hypothesis is communist propoganda

337 posted on 09/03/2023 6:58:12 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: mikegreenwell39
Are Zionists American, LOL?
Sorry to burst your bubble but
1. Nazis considered Poles to be untermenschen.
2. Anyone who supports the existance of Israel. The vast majority of Americans are Zionists
338 posted on 09/05/2023 12:16:55 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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