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To: hardspunned

“The last thing Putin wanted was this war. Ever since the Obama/Soros gang took over in 2014 the US has destabilized the area.”

Everything you said I agree with except the part about Putin not wanting the war. There were good financial as well as strategic reasons for Putin.

“The West forced the Russians to move with the threat of parking the largest offensive military behemoth the world has ever seen on the Russian border, a days tank ride from Moscow.”

You all aren’t paying close attention to the West. The reason all of these nations are joining NATO is that 1)They are afraid of Putin invasions. 2)They want the US to pay for everything. 3) They are to small to stand on their own. Most of all, you have yet to notice that the US may still be a huge power, but it’s not a “Superpower” anymore. Nobody is going to Moscow. They couldn’t motivate anyone in the West to make that trip.

“It’s the US constantly invading, not it’s neighbors, when they pose an existential threat like NATO does to Russia but aggressive, illegal actions all over the world, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia and now Donbas.”

You can leave Afghanistan out, they started it. Iraq, probably didn’t need to happen twice. Vietnam, LBJ war. Bosnia-Clinton distraction. To my knowledge, US hasn’t invaded Donbas. You have a very good point though. We, as a nation, seem to be STUPID and keep trying to police the world or interfere in everything. Lots of people here don’t want to be involved with Ukraine—seriously. The longer it goes on, the more equipment, munitions, money, aircraft Ukraine gets.....and I don’t think that is a good idea. It doesn’t seem that the US ‘Intelligence’ services have considered ‘blowback’ on that.


48 posted on 07/17/2023 8:02:02 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: Pete Dovgan

Russia demands to have a neutral buffer on its border here. Through Ukraine is how some current NATO members have traditionally attacked Russia killing tens of millions. Until DC unilaterally ended the balance of power politics that had kept the peace in Europe since 1945, this was accepted by all. Imagine Mexico as the 30th and newest Warsaw Pact nation (England and France numbers 28 and 29). Imagine the new Mexican president, a Moscow installed stooge, was inviting as much Warsaw Pact armor along the Rio Grande as Moscow wanted. Imagine the leadership in Moscow was also screaming about forced DC regime change. That’s the situation the Russians found themselves in. Of course they went to war. Who wouldn’t fight under those circumstances? Incredibly, DC never thought through what would happen in response to their reckless hegemony or they just don’t give a damn.


49 posted on 07/17/2023 8:21:21 AM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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