Mapped: World’s Top 40 Largest Military Budgets

The Visual Capitalist ^ | 07/13/2023 | Pallavi Rao and Joyce Ma

[CodeToad]

China’s $300B is worth more than our $900B. They don’t waste it or pay high prices like we do.

[Reverend Wright]

“And our stuff is probably more than 10x better,”

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This NATO/ USA delusionalism, and ignoring battle field performance.

The Bradleys and Leopards didn’t do any better than the Ukrainian T72 and BMPs.

Current Excalibur can’t hit moving targets, unlike Krasnopol...

When they finally get laser guide optoin Excalibur into production, look for a big pricde increase (from $168,000 per shell to, my guess $300,000 per shell)

Note Krasnopol. $13,500 per shell.

[Reverend Wright]

“If we were actually involved, Russia would be done in a couple weeks. With or without the rest of NATO also helping. “

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This sounds like the nonsense we heard about how the Bradleys and Leopards were going to wipe out the Russians singlehandedly.

Some demographic facts. Russia is approx half the population of the USA. But in a one-on-one, the USA no longer has a manpower advantage because male population of Gen Z is so riddled with fats, fags and femmes that only 23% qualify for military service.

If Russia can get 50% they have numbers parity, or better.
https://www.ktsm.com/local/el-paso-news/only-23-of-americans-17-24-qualify-for-military-service/

[ro_dreaming]

Our defense department does a lot of R&D for the Chinese, UK, France, EU, NATO, UN, etc.

[entropy12]

hahahahahahaha Ukraine is depending on arms and money from NATO. And of course that includes USA.

[entropy12]

Haha poor excuse. NATO is afraid of Russia retaliating. How many Russian nukes will it take to turn Europe into pile of SAND? Europe is densely populated. Russia has TWELVE time zones.

[Svartalfiar]

“And our stuff is probably more than 10x better,”

This NATO/ USA delusionalism, and ignoring battle field performance.

Did you read the rest of my comment after that comma there? Ukraine isn't even close to a real measure of how these systems can perform. Bradleys and Leopards are not just 'drive forward and everyone hide behind them' shield walls. They're heavy support as part of combined arms maneuver.

Excalibur and Krasnopol aren't the same thing. The US equivalent of the Krasnopol is the M712 (obsolete), or the Precision Guidance Kit for regular 155 rounds, that costs ~$10M per kit. Current Excalibur rounds aren't designed to hit moving targets, as the GPS needs to be loaded prior to firing. The new ones with laser designation options started coming out a couple years ago, but I doubt Ukraine got any yet. But laser designation isn't all that great all the time, you still need to have someone (drone, vic, random guy) who can run the laser on the target. Cloudy weather, smoke/fog, all make it less effective to ineffective.

And I don't know numbers too well, but from what I've seen, the export Krasnopol is around $30-40M per shell.

[Svartalfiar]

Some demographic facts. Russia is approx half the population of the USA. But in a one-on-one, the USA no longer has a manpower advantage because male population of Gen Z is so riddled with fats, fags and femmes that only 23% qualify for military service.

If Russia can get 50% they have numbers parity, or better.

That doesn't matter much. Russia's military is conscript. They make the worst type of soldier if you want to actually get stuff done properly. Russia doesn't really have an NCO corps. That's why you hear about all these generals getting killed, they have to have a lot more officers leading. Although a Russian general is about the equivalent of our Colonel/LTC.

Numbers don't mean anything without logistics and service support. Russia currently has -zero- carriers. Russia's "stealth" SU-57 has what, 20 produced including prototypes? Russia has almost no logistics capability, their entire war effort can only be defending the motherland and maybe ground invading Estonia, Latvia, or Finland. Perhaps Lithuania or Poland IF Belarus lets them through, but that's it. I don't think they've been able to get much further than 200 miles from their border, at best. And that's against a ragtag Ukraine, and not anyone advanced at all.


What possible way do you think Russia could last a month or more against these US, much less actually win the fight?

[Svartalfiar]

hahahahahahaha Ukraine is depending on arms and money from NATO. And of course that includes USA.

Well yea, but that doesn't mean the entire military budgets of NATO are involved in the fight. As the rest of my comment mentioned, you can take Ukraine's budget and add several billion to it (~$100B, minus whatever Z-Dog's share is, assorted 30-40% corruption at various levels, and don't forget 10% for the big guy!)

[Reverend Wright]

What possible way do you think Russia could last a month or more against these US, much less actually win the fight?

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because it will be a land war within 200 miles of their border

[Reverend Wright]

Did you read the rest of my comment after that comma there? Ukraine isn’t even close to a real measure of how these systems can perform. Bradleys and Leopards are not just ‘drive forward and everyone hide behind them’ shield walls. They’re heavy support as part of combined arms maneuver.

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mozt of their losses are due to mines. combined arms doesn’t matter if you can’t execute a breach attack across a mine field and tank traps

Ukraine is doing their breach attack exactly like USA trains for, with the same engineering equipment, and they will get the same results.

here is usa tactics, it’s the same !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI0Vprf7FBo

[Reverend Wright]

That doesn’t matter much. Russia’s military is conscript. They make the worst type of soldier if you want to actually get stuff done properly. Russia doesn’t really have an NCO corps. That’s why you hear about all these generals getting killed, they have to have a lot more officers leading. Although a Russian general is about the equivalent of our Colonel/LTC.

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in an all out war, most of those NCOs will be dead after year two. And the survivors will be training the current people on the battlefield, who woill be almost all conscripts.

[Reverend Wright]

Numbers don’t mean anything without logistics and service support.

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compare USA logistics capability to support a European war vs WW2.

WW2 build several thousand Liberty ships

Now they have ~zero shipyard capacity, and imports steel - including from Russia !

[Reverend Wright]

Current Excalibur rounds aren’t designed to hit moving targets, as the GPS needs to be loaded prior to firing. The new ones with laser designation options started coming out a couple years ago, but I doubt Ukraine got any yet.

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That’s right. Excalibur is good for hitting ragheads in a tent. But peer war means the opponent has vehicles which are moving.

Yeah Ukraine doesn’t have any of the new Excalibur laser ones, because the USA doesn’t either. The are just test and display right now.

I can’t weight for the cost estimate for Excalibur + laser

[cgbg]

America’s military contractors are the best in the world—at lobbying and propaganda and fleecing the taxpayers.

[ansel12]

American manufacturers aren’t who are killing our military.

[cgbg]

“American manufacturers aren’t who are killing our military.”

Correct—they are just getting rich while the woke zombies do that.

[ansel12]

“””That doesn’t matter much. Russia’s military is conscript. They make the worst type of soldier if you want to actually get stuff done properly. “””

Not necessarily, it depends on the training and the males, getting the young males into your hands is the most important factor.

WWII was fought by draftees, in the American Army 93% of them were drafted, the entire American forces were 62 to 66% draftees, that was the Marines, Navy, Army and Coast Guard.

[ansel12]

Got it, the manufacturers.

[entropy12]

Main point is, Ukraine messed up by pushing for NATO membership on border of Russia. Now Ukraine has become unlivable. SO much destruction everywhere. Apartment buildings turned to rubble (most Uke’s live in apartments), utilities destroyed, roads destroyed, National treasury bankrupt, 20% of Uke’s already have left the country. All this for what? NATO membership? Insane.