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A Tangled Past Complicates Poland’s Welcome to Ukrainian Refugees
The New York Times ^ | July 10, 2023 | Andrew Higgins

Posted on 07/10/2023 3:57:01 PM PDT by Navy Patriot

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The New York Slimes thoughtfully soothing Poles as they bend them over for Uke Nazi Terrorists and Murderers.
1 posted on 07/10/2023 3:57:01 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot

Didn’t the commie Slimes lay off a bunch of employees a year ago or so? They should have maybe an entire floor or two of their building to convert into rooms for undocumented imigrants.


2 posted on 07/10/2023 4:05:45 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Navy Patriot

Hey, what’s a little genocide between friends?


3 posted on 07/10/2023 4:10:55 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Navy Patriot

“1943”

They would have been pro-Nazi. By then most Ukrainians would have been anti-Nazi.


4 posted on 07/10/2023 4:11:35 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (ARTICLE I SECTION 2....The President...may require the opinion, in writing)
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In those ethnic pogroms by Ukrainian nationalists, more than 60,000 Poles, many of them women and children, were murdered.

Regardless of Pro or Anti, Uke Nationalists agreed to the Genocide of 60,000 Poles.

5 posted on 07/10/2023 4:29:00 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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I just watched an episode of “Who Do You Think You Are?” that featured Lisa Kudrow (of Friends fame). Her father’s family immigrated from what they called “Old Poland,” now Belarus. They were Polish Jews. She went there to find out if the family story about her great-grandmother being murdered by Nazis was true. Not only was it true, but it was a horrific event and worse than the family story. They killed off all but 5% of the village population, and those who lived had run into the forest to hide for months. The entirety of Poland must suffer from generational trauma as a result of those psychopaths…who I believe are still running rampant in Ukraine.


6 posted on 07/10/2023 4:34:20 PM PDT by ponygirl (Stay gold.)
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Interesting.

Illustrates how much the borders have shifted in Eastern Europe, how long it has been going on and the tribal animosity that moves with the tribes.

Of course Elite Prog Socialist Americans, 10,000 miles away, know best where the borders should be, where the tribes actually are, and where our military hardware should be used to kill whom.

The locals shouldn't even be allowed an opinion on this.

Unless they're Dancing Homos, then they can't be wrong.

7 posted on 07/10/2023 4:50:53 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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Tangled past is an understatement.

My Ukrainian grandmother hated Poles.

Made for interesting family dynamics between Ukrainian mother-in-law and Polish daughter-in-law.


8 posted on 07/10/2023 5:22:08 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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Your post is false.

I live in Podkarpackie, the region in Poland most affected by the genocidal murderers of Bandera, the UPA. Yet people opened up their homes to Ukrainian refugees.

And in general the Ukrainians have been grateful.

Heck, my town has a monument to the Poles from the area murdered by the UPA yet the locals helped the women and children fleeing Putin’s army.

Oh and the bulk if those who came were Russian speakers from the east of Ukraine. They were fleeing from the Russians


9 posted on 07/10/2023 9:51:23 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: DesertRhino

It was 75 years ago.

The refugees fleeing now were women and children.


10 posted on 07/10/2023 9:52:06 PM PDT by Cronos
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“The entirety of Poland must suffer from generational trauma as a result of those psychopaths”

Poland had this trauma of murders by Germans, Russians and Ukrainians. However, in 1965 the catholic bishops sent a letter of reconciliation to their German counterparts. The letter is acknowledged as one of the milestones in the history of Polish-German reconciliation. 36 bishops who signed the letter, asked for cooperation declaring: “We forgive and ask for forgiveness”. This “Message of Reconciliation” was initiated by Archbishop Bolesław Kominek and he was one of its foremost co-authors, along with Primate Stefan Wyszyński and Karol Wojtyła, later Pope John Paul II.

https://enrs.eu/news/letter-of-reconciliation-of-the-polish-bishops-to-the-german-bishops

That was the beginning of reconciliation.

The one with the Ukrainians happened slower.

Poland has forgiven but not forgotten.


11 posted on 07/10/2023 9:57:27 PM PDT by Cronos
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And no, those psychopaths are not running rampant in Ukraine. Poland would not help if they were


12 posted on 07/10/2023 9:58:14 PM PDT by Cronos
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Funny, when discussing the crimes of the Soviets, I have never heard you say “it was 75 years ago”.

By the way, it wasn’t 75 years ago. It was within the last year. Why? Because the sicko guy who did it has new monuments, street names and statuary installed in his honor.
You don’t get to say 75 years ago when you are still proud of it.


13 posted on 07/10/2023 9:59:41 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Navy Patriot

This wasn’t tribal animosity.

This arose after tye rise of nationalism due to the French revolution.

And borders have shifted a lot in western Europe and north America too in the past 200 years.

The current borders were agreed and it stopped the killings. Otherwise Hungary, Poland, Turkey, Austria, Czechia and Slovakia could all claim Slovakia.

Or France, Germany, Austria, etc could claim western Germany.

Or England could claim western France.

Or Mexico could claim western USA


14 posted on 07/10/2023 10:02:43 PM PDT by Cronos
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The crimes of the Russians are not taught to their descendants as crimes.

German students learn of the crimes of their ancestors to the Poles. Poles learn of the circumstances leading to Chmielniskis rebellion , Ukrainians learn of the genocides of the UPA.

But Russians are taught that they are liberators, not mentioning that they were nazi Germany allies


15 posted on 07/10/2023 10:05:01 PM PDT by Cronos
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And there were not anti Polish murders last year.

There were Russian or rather Putin’s Chechen jihadis murdering Ukrainians last year


16 posted on 07/10/2023 10:06:00 PM PDT by Cronos
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And finally, the Russians committed atrocities in 2022 in Ukraine that were similar to what they did in central Europe in 1944-1945.

For example, Anna Kolesarova was murdered while resisting rape by a Russian soldier in 1944.

Karolina Kozka from a neighbouring region in Poland was murdered by Russians in 1914 when she resisted them raping her.

The Russians did the same in 2022.

Their society has not changed while the rest of the world has


17 posted on 07/10/2023 10:11:54 PM PDT by Cronos
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Their society has not changed while the rest of the world has

That's why all of Europe's in NATO right now.

18 posted on 07/10/2023 10:13:25 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: DesertRhino

Poles helped and help Ukrainian women and children refugees fleeing from Putin’s murderers.

And, note those are Russian speaking Ukrainians fleeing Putin’s invasion


19 posted on 07/10/2023 10:14:27 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: MinorityRepublican

Correct.

Poland, the Baltics, Hungary, Romania etc requested to join NATO, made the necessary changes and joined.

Why?

Because they knew that Russians are not taught of their country’s history. Russians actually are taught that central Europe loves them for “liberating” them, so are shocked to find out that the Russians were Nazi German allies.


20 posted on 07/10/2023 10:16:46 PM PDT by Cronos
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