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To: monkeyshine

Wasn’t that from the audio clip posted on the Telegram or Sky News ? I don’t know if it is true or not but most of all I wonder how the Russians think they can win in Ukraine without the Wagner group.


86 posted on 06/26/2023 11:40:18 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: erlayman
I wonder how the Russians think they can win in Ukraine without the Wagner group.

It's kind of like the Confederates when they lost Stonewall Jackson. They lost the momentum after he was killed.

88 posted on 06/26/2023 11:42:38 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: erlayman

I don’t even know what ‘winning’ looks like for either side here. If Ukraine does push Russia and Wagner out of all the recently occupied territory, there is still a large population of Ukrainians with Russian sympathies. And that’s assuming the West doesn’t push Ukraine into trying to liberate territories taken back under Obama administration. And what is Russia’s objective? To annex the lands with the Russian sympathizers in eastern Ukraine and cessation of fighting thereafter? That’s a loss for Ukraine, and Biden’s “whatever it takes” speeches.


96 posted on 06/26/2023 12:00:46 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: erlayman

The Wagner group was always a part of the Russian army. Progo is a figurehead.


121 posted on 06/26/2023 12:54:06 PM PDT by dforest
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