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Ukraine Runs Into Russian Air Superiority
Wall Street Journal ^ | 17 June 23 | Matthew Luxemoore

Posted on 06/18/2023 1:39:37 PM PDT by delta7

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To: canuck_conservative
There's that LOL.

And yet your LOL quote from the article doesn't answer the TITLE of the article, "German industry to pay 40% more for energy than pre-crisis."

"In other words," your one quote does NOT negate the subject -- 40 percent more for energy.

"In other words," your reading comprehension is filtered through your political bias, which I find not particularly conservative.

41 posted on 06/18/2023 3:16:38 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Looks like growth in the link you provided. Have anything better, like this?

From June 1:

https://www.reuters.com/markets/rates-bonds/russia-hold-rates-next-week-2023-gdp-growth-seen-improving-2023-06-01/


42 posted on 06/18/2023 3:24:14 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

your article is from January, which was almost 6 months ago - so the numbers predicted are no longer valid

oil peaked in April at $83/bbl, but is cheaper now ($71), and is a lot cheaper than in January 2022 ($92), just before Putin started the war


43 posted on 06/18/2023 3:24:25 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Interesting. The EU article notes: "the Council has adopted 10 packages of sanctions against Russia and Belarus. The sanctions aim to weaken Russia's ability to finance the war and specifically target the political, military and economic elite responsible for the invasion."

So one has an economy, which is impacted by 10 packages of sanctions, and in 2023 is doing what? Well that's thing. Bunches of differing reports and estimates, and a rather amusing statement as below from the Wall Street Journal.

One finds: "The World Bank's updated estimates reveal that as of the end of 2022, the Russian GDP dropped by 2.1%. However, it predicts that this trend will not continue, and the country's national GDP will contract by just 0.2% this year. Furthermore, the bank forecasts that the Russian economy will grow by 1.2% in 2024 and by 0.8% in 2025."

Source:https://www.intellinews.com/world-bank-upgrades-russia-s-2023-growth-forecast-to-0-2-contraction-275331/

And then "Russia's economy is slated to grow 1% this year, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co. Or shrink 2.5%, if you ask the Organization for Economic .." as found in "Is Russia's Economy Growing or Shrinking? It Depends on the Forecaster"

Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-russias-economy-growing-or-shrinking-it-depends-on-the-forecaster-41e7af0c

44 posted on 06/18/2023 3:28:17 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: canuck_conservative
How are the German electrical prices doing? January 2023 - 107.9. June 2023 - 125.1. (From Trading Economics)

Fluctuations, but as with US gas prices, up and down and up again. And with inflation -- as happening in Canada and the US as in Europe -- people are getting hammered.

Is inflation up there, up there? It's up down here, and it's up in Europe.

As to your "so the numbers predicted are no longer valid," I venture to say, as with climate change and all the rest, NO predicted numbers are valid, until they are no longer predicted but measured and real.

45 posted on 06/18/2023 3:35:01 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: delta7; All

Dozens of FR ex military and hobbyists saw this issue with air cover as crippling the Ukrainian offensive.

And we saw it months ago.

How could the geniuses in DC and Kiev and Brussels not see this and stop the suicide mission?


46 posted on 06/18/2023 3:36:34 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

pretty hard to suddenly replace 15% of your economy

the math doesn’t lie


47 posted on 06/18/2023 3:37:26 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: canuck_conservative
The only people being hurt by the fop/wanker sanctions are Europeans; Russia is thriving. Just like the thing in the Bible where the Lord sets some sort of a feast for the righteous and all the fops and wankers can do is look in at it from the outside as they shiver and starve...


48 posted on 06/18/2023 3:39:25 PM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: BobL

Don’t ya just hate it when some foreign slick pisses on ya then tells ya it’s rain.
This smarmy canadian bunger seems to know it all.


49 posted on 06/18/2023 3:41:50 PM PDT by Right Brigade (It was better before they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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To: delta7

“Christian companies get my money first, then neutral companies in that order. Anything connected to the US government or NGO’s get zilch. It takes time to research the business’s but quite worthwhile.”

When you find this data, please post it and ping me.

Thanks
Dave


50 posted on 06/18/2023 3:44:50 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We have no shortageerof experts, who state things as fact, but are 4 big re no real idea!)
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To: dominusobiscum
Eurofops and wankers had enough gas and oil saved up for one winter. Only problem for them is that winter comes every year....


51 posted on 06/18/2023 3:44:52 PM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: Right Brigade

I think he’s Canadien, rather than Canadian.


52 posted on 06/18/2023 3:48:31 PM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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To: Right Brigade

just know how to read -

“The World Economy No Longer Needs Russia”

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4124970/posts?page=20


53 posted on 06/18/2023 4:09:05 PM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: DesertRhino
Hope Europe enjoys buying our natural gas at 4 and 5 times the price.

Except now the price of natural gas in Europe is at the same place it was in 2015. Without Russian gas. Everyone else in the world has the business now, and Russia has lost their largest customer.

Another brilliant Russian strategic move.

54 posted on 06/18/2023 4:15:16 PM PDT by freeandfreezing (Do I need the sarcasm tag for that last sentence?)
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To: citizen

You know it’s one thing to follow a forum devoted to the politics of a foreign nation.
One can learn alot about the people and their culture but when one actively participates he should be respectful.
It is not his country!
He is not a taxpayer or citizen.
I have seen this clown question the patriotism of several posters.
That gets my goat.
Alot of the Ukie funky bunch are foreign nationals or expats.
I can agree to disagree with my fellow conservative/Christian Americans,but a foreigner pontificator is just a bridge too far for me!


55 posted on 06/18/2023 4:16:43 PM PDT by Right Brigade (It was better before they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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To: BobL
The World Bank says this about Russia:

"GDP is expected to decrease by 4.5 percent in 2022 and by a further 3.6 percent in 2023, as the economy continues to contract due to the impact of sanctions, including those coming into force at the end of this year (notably the EU partial oil ban and to a lesser extent the oil price cap)."

What part of that statement do you think supports your claim that the World Bank "said that Russia's economy is growing"?

World Bank

56 posted on 06/18/2023 4:24:20 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: ganeemead

Are there any other groups of people that you hold such bigotry for? Or is that what your boss pays you to post?


57 posted on 06/18/2023 4:26:15 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Right Brigade

Yes, he’s more then annoying.
I feel rather the same way about the expat this or that poster.


58 posted on 06/18/2023 4:31:22 PM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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To: delta7

And those Ukrainians are really great strategists aint they?

“Lets start an offensive without air cover to prep the battle ground.”

BTW..I was told that the Russians are using NNEMPs to eliminate the Ukrainian drones/electronic systems.
Still trying to find that out.


59 posted on 06/18/2023 4:33:31 PM PDT by crz
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To: delta7
From the WSJ article:

"Meanwhile, Russia has continued drone and missile strikes against Ukrainian cities as it seeks to deplete their stocks of expensive air-defense munitions and keep such systems deployed away from the eastern front line. "

Nothing says "our military is very strong" like launching terror attacks on civilians to keep the other side's air defenses busy. That sounds like a tactic of desperation to me.

Attacking civilians to affect military operations elsewhere is the kind of thing Al Qaeda, ISIS, or the PLO did, and they were denounced as terrorists.

It is sad to see people here on Free Republic cheering on terrorists today.

60 posted on 06/18/2023 4:34:33 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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