[blitz128]

It is obvious that they did not take all the land they wanted, why go to Kiev if you never intended to take it, with that said the spin will begin because Russia can’t take more land so Putin and his group are going to use your line, this is all we wanted…. Some kind of victory is necessary for their survival

Of course Till they want more, north Vietnam came to the table to buy time and it worked
Go ahead let Putin the aggressor have his victory, but me thinks you have written off the Ukrainians a bit early. The Russians fighting for every square in and not falling back to their “prepared” defenses makes no sense.

Let’s see what happens and how the air defenses go. Imagine there will be a lot fewer Russian helicopters over the next few weeks, and russian logistics are not looking good
My 2 cents and what the hell do I know

[The Iceman Cometh]

For what it's worth.

Delegation, Russian President Vladimir Putin showed the African leaders a copy of the agreed-upon draft agreement between Russia and Ukraine in March 2022.

The agreement puts regulations on Ukrainian Armed Forces and says that Ukraine must adopt a Permanent Diplomatic Neutrality

Putin told the African Delegation that Russia withdrew troops from Kyiv/Kiev and Chernihiv in accordance with the treaty. However, after that happened Ukraine "on the orders of Washington, threw this treaty into the dustbin of history."

At that time it was openly reported that the person responsible for the fall of the agreements was the then Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Boris Johnson who convinced the Ukrainian President Zelensky not to accept the agreements and continue the fight.

[The Iceman Cometh]

And a little more:

With Basis on the April 2022 draft agreement (which was almost agreed back then):

— Russia would return to the positions in Donbass & Crimea

— Ukraine would declare Neutrality

— Ukraine would give up on NATO aspirations in exchange of Security Guarantees from a number of Countries

— The countries being: United Kingdom, China, United States, Turkey, France and Belarus

— Ukraine would agree on demilitarize itself and reduce its armed forces size