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To: Mariner
Weird how the Ukrainians are fixated on "territory", and the Russians are fixated on destroying the Ukrainian Army - which doesn't involve defending mere "territory" to the death.

There was another leader that wouldn't give up an inch of ground in this area, either. Spiritual father to the Azov creeps running the Ukraine now...

2 posted on 06/12/2023 5:30:58 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

Didnt the US army refuse to retreat or then surrender at Bastogne (the roadblock) in the Battle of the Bulge. What if they had surrendered to the Germans then?


3 posted on 06/12/2023 5:42:15 PM PDT by desertsolitaire ( )
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To: kiryandil

There was another leader that wouldn’t give up an inch of ground in this area, either. Spiritual father to the Azov creeps running the Ukraine now...

There was another Great Leader who issued Order No. 227, spiritual father to Putin.


7 posted on 06/12/2023 6:02:34 PM PDT by rxh4n1
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To: kiryandil

>Weird how the Ukrainians are fixated on “territory”, and the Russians are fixated on destroying the Ukrainian Army

A lot of people are comparing this to the battle of Kursk. The Ukrainians charge in to low lying areas, they get pummeled with drone-guided artillery, then they retreat.

Bakhmut gave them months to build up entrenchments and defensive lines just like the Ukrainians did from 2014-2022. Plus, the Ukrainians have lost tons of minesweepers. It’s just not looking very good.


10 posted on 06/12/2023 6:24:00 PM PDT by struggle
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