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If they break through the line, as I expect them to do in a couple of places, they would then have to drive about 70 miles to the Azov coast to achieve their objective of cutting the land bridge.

Moving armor 70 miles without air dominance, into the teeth of the Russian Air Force.

Huevos Rancheros Grande.

But doomed nevertheless.

1 posted on 06/08/2023 3:24:43 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner

Breaking through any defensive line is like pressing your finger slowly through a 6 mil contractor bag. Trying to punch it will just hurt your hand. It takes a concerted press, until it finally breaks.

That’s not going to happen in a day.


2 posted on 06/08/2023 3:29:39 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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Here is what I believe is the closest to reality:

Released well before the “counter-offensive” in time to let the establishment know they have to dig in for the long-haul.

A.) Politico
Ukraine could join ranks of ‘frozen’ conflicts, U.S. officials say

U.S. officials are planning for the growing possibility that the Russia-Ukraine war will turn into a frozen conflict that lasts many years — perhaps decade...”

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/18/ukraine-russia-south-korea-00097563


Problem is, here is what may await the west:

B.) 1/2 Germany would go into recession with Russian energy embargo - minister
Reuters
April 27, 2022

https://www.reuters.com/business/germany-would-go-into-recession-with-russian-energy-embargo-minister-2022-04-27/

2/2 Germany’s slipped into recession and everyone should be worried
May 26, 2023

https://www-politico-eu.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.politico.eu/article/germany-olaf-scholz-europe-eurozone-slipped-into-recession-and-everyone-should-be-worried/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#aoh=16859875133850&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.eu%2Farticle%2Fgermany-olaf-scholz-europe-eurozone-slipped-into-recession-and-everyone-should-be-worried%2F


3 posted on 06/08/2023 3:32:33 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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According to Denys they’ve already suffered a set back. No location given. But several tanks (including Leopard 2) and armored vehicles said to be destroyed.


4 posted on 06/08/2023 3:35:04 PM PDT by donozark (The Biden crime family makes Al Capone look like a piker.)
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Yet another war to have white people kill other white people.


5 posted on 06/08/2023 3:36:47 PM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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Destruction of the AFU column with Leopard 2 tanks

Today, footage of repulsing yesterday’s enemy attack in the Zaporozhye direction appeared on the Web. A column of about 10 tanks, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles advanced on Russian positions at the Rabotino-Verbovoye line from Malaya Tokmachka, but was stopped by fire from the RF Armed Forces.

Part of the equipment was blown up by mines and was abandoned by the crews. Others were hit by artillery and ATGM crews in forest plantations along country roads and in fields.

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1666805820997394440


8 posted on 06/08/2023 3:45:10 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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A hint about the Russian strategy is coming with videos taken from Ukrainian drones, of great piles of antitank mines, some fraction of which were then blown up by those drones.

Mines are fairly cost effective, and for the hundreds destroyed, we might assume that 10 to 50 times that amount weren’t destroyed.

Since a big chunk of Russian armor has already been attacked, this creates a vulnerability to Ukrainian armor. So mines would be a good way to counteract this threat.


9 posted on 06/08/2023 3:46:21 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All he had was a handgun. Why did you think that was a threat?" --Rittenhouse Prosecutor)
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leopards and tigers and bears! oh my!


12 posted on 06/08/2023 3:48:31 PM PDT by mylife (I was a sort of country boy, a cockeyed optimist, wrapped in international intrigue and espionage)
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It’s definitely not going well for Ukraine, thus far.

davydov is perhaps the most consistent Ukr Cheerleader…well naturally as he is a Ukrainian. His videos are ALL 100% pro-Ukr and anti-Russ. They are also all unanimously about Russ getting its ass kicked.

So to say I was shocked when I saw HIM post this today is an understatement:

Update from Ukraine | The Counterattack Start is not good | Leopard-2 Convoy was Ambushed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N85cRT5JWvc


18 posted on 06/08/2023 4:28:01 PM PDT by Phoenix8
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But doomed nevertheless.
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What can anyone make of this other than a suicide mission? I would hate to be driving that mobile armor out in the open.


23 posted on 06/08/2023 5:12:16 PM PDT by iontheball
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Anybody else curious why we haven’t seen any satellite imagery of what’s going on with the Ukraine? Because if there’s a war going on there, it’s certain it’s observable from low earth orbit.

And as many news scroungers as are regulars on this website, it’s equally as certain that if anybody were publishing their satellite images, some Freeper would have found them and re-posted them here. And there are enough privately-owned surveillance platforms in orbit that it is unlikely to the extreme that no one would be interested in making a buck off selling their images on the open market.

And for every news story that comes out about the war there, within 24 hours of its release, there’s another story saying the exact opposite.

For all we know, Pootie-Poot and Zelenskyy are hanging out together in Acapulco, drinking daiquiris and playing Risk, and the war we’ve been shown in the Ukraine is all CGI.


24 posted on 06/08/2023 6:13:55 PM PDT by threefinger
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The Russians have been holding them in front of the first line of defense. There are at least 3 lines of defense Ukrainians have to break through. The first one isn't that strong but the last two are very strong. The other thing is there isn't much cover for the Ukrainians to use when they head towards the Russian line. I watched video of a Ukrainian column of tanks and APC driving down a road in a straight line. It got decimated by Russian artillery and air strikes. This offensive will fail miserably if the Ukrainians keep using these tactics.
27 posted on 06/08/2023 7:58:35 PM PDT by Rdct29 (The Democrats Are The New Nazi Party )
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