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Even N.Y. Times concedes Ukrainian soldiers wearing Nazi symbols
WND News Center ^ | June 7, 2023 | WND Staff

Posted on 06/08/2023 2:35:12 PM PDT by george76

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To: MeganC
--- "It was not an insult."

One for you. Autism is indeed not an insult, excepting when applying the adjective to one not autistic. My SIL teaches autistic kids, a tough road to hoe. The other comments....

Please note that now our exchange becomes more civil in tone, and a conversation. Might even become a debate.

The whole between us has been in the context specifically of the thread's theme, "Even N.Y. Times concedes Ukrainian soldiers wearing Nazi symbols." I don't excuse any wearing Nazi symbols, even young, silly princeling Harry at a party. Yuck .Yuck. In the same way, I think :wearing" and displaying other such symbols should be seen as unfunny.

Happy Friday.

61 posted on 06/09/2023 9:53:43 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: george76

All lies

/s

Honestly you fight with who is in your trench with ammo

But ….always a but

It’s one screwy place

Bandera nationalist neo Nazi folks have been at least the plurality of the armed power in Ukraine for decades

And dominate the SBU secret police

They were primary Uke movers of Maiden

All but one uke oligarchs are Jews and many former commie apparatchiks

The most powerful one is stronger than Z is

And his military power are primarily neo Nazi leaning militia and military units

And Z of course is Jewish

And Ukraine civilians along with Croatia and Lithuania killed Jews in wwii as much as Nazi units did including Einsatzgruppen and mostly with farm implements and clubs at festivals to murder Jewish men women and children whom they associated with commies rightly or wrongly plus God knows why else

And Ukes slaughtered polish Catholics Pell mell same era yet Poland loves Ukraine now

It’s so convoluted I would not attempt to try to explain or rationalize it all

Jewish power brokers or warlords utilizing neo Nazi military power to fight Russian “imperialism”

Nope

It’s to preserve their own position in our proxy war to bleed Putin

Z falls they fall with him or retreat to rump Ukraine in the agri west but 90% of the nations wealth and smarts are Kiev east

It’s a tar pit


62 posted on 06/09/2023 10:07:27 AM PDT by wardaddy (Technology is not by default an improvement )
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Ransomenote making generalities about large groups of people being nazi. I simply wanted to know what he thought of the marines in that pic since it was used in the same way. I certainly don’t think they are nazis.


63 posted on 06/09/2023 11:04:28 AM PDT by e_castillo
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Context is everything.

Hopi Indians, people from India, China, Japan, and etc. with swastikas in their art is not “wrong” because some bunch of scum used the symbol in the past.

The swastika used to be a popular good luck symbol in the USA up until the advent of the Nazis.

Lots of companies use variations of the swastika in their logos and no one cares. Chase Bank, Microsoft, and Columbia Sportswear come to mind here.

Prince Harry was clearly wearing a Nazi symbol and while it’s rude it’s also not a crisis to me.

And if I ask someone if they’re autistic it’s a genuine question.

I’m autistic and for me it presents with some aspects of the emotional spectrum absent for me. Like I do not feel “fear” the way many people do. To me it’s more like, “Oh yeah, that’s dangerous.” as opposed to screaming in terror at something.

I am aware that most people feel things I don’t. That sets me apart from some autistics who are incapable of accepting that the feelings of other people are as valid as their own.

But I do have very strong feelings about right and wrong thus I am a conservative. I object to invading countries that do not pose an existential threat to the country doing the invading.

That means I oppose the invasions of Ukraine, Libya, Syria, Tibet, Georgia, Yugoslavia, and etc.

I’m also disappointed that the US has never held Saudi Arabia accountable for their clear involvement in 9/11. Which remains an existential threat to the US.

That some Ukrainian soldiers wear a swastika (for whatever reason) is in no way to me any kind of justification for what the Russians are doing in Ukraine. I don’t much care for rude people from Quebec. That’s no reason to invade Canada.

With regards to the Russian war against Ukraine I want it to end and I want it ended with the Russians not gaining anything from their aggression. Because that just encourages their next war the same way letting them conquer and annex part of Georgia directly led to their aggression in Ukraine.

It is of no small hypocrisy to me that so many people on this site will complain about thieves stealing from stores and getting away with it only to turn around and endorse Russian thievery at the nation-state level.

We live on a ranch and over the years we’ve had people come here trying to steal what’s ours. It doesn’t take a big leap of imagination on my part to empathize with the Ukrainians who are fighting for their homes. I’d do it too if I were in their place.

As to some of my more inflammatory comments I’ve learned to troll the trolls. The pro-Russians tend to favor insults about homosexuality and one’s mental state so I do my best to communicate with them effectively.

And yes, I believe some of them use multiple accounts. I definitely get that impression when I say something to (Account #1) and (Account #2) takes it personally. Plus I sometimes see accounts sharing unique verbiage, unique grammar, and unique phrasing and it stands out to me.

Parsing data is easy when you’re obsessed with detail.

I could probably write a lot more here but I will stop because you might not want to hear it and one of those Russian trolls will surely be along to pick at what I write and try to use it against me. I had to remove my personal profile on my FR page because of these people.

Happy Friday to you too and my apologies for coming on strong.

Megan


64 posted on 06/09/2023 11:05:01 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC
--- "I had to remove my personal profile on my FR page because of these people."

Thanks for the note and much. As to the above remark, when I thought to join -- and support -- Free Republic, I thought about what to place in the information. Given that monikers are anonymous, what I placed there was accurate but without actual location (state flag and such) or the like, because I operate two sites, one very identifiable. A search for one name pops me up in the first queries. So....

I was in advance, as you write of your experiences above, wary of "too much" information. People can be mean-spirited. I am sure you agree. In my travels, I found saints and sinners, great folks and asses, in every culture and of every race, religion, and so on. Ergo caution was warranted. I think it remains so.

We will differ on the Uk-Rs war, because we probably see our responsibility to fix the world somewhat differently. Fixing the world got us into Afghanistan for about two decades. I recall very clearly the videos of the execution in a sports stadium of a woman by the Taliban. The feminists before our war in Afghanistan were encouraging that war. Twenty years later, and after the blundered Biden withdrawal, the same voices started up with feminism's call to "do something." As Freepers so amusingly say sometimes, rinse and repeat. I have stolen the phrase.

As to the Uk_Rs war, there is of course a moral dimension. But there are limitations too. I am sure -- absolutely sure -- you wouldn't push the little red "nuclear war" button and first strike attack Russia. So, yup, limitations. Which explains a lot about the current stuff.

I wish for peace there, and liberty and individualism, which is one reason I support the notion of dissolving the EU, leaving Europe as individual nations to each find their diplomatic, foreign policy way. I suspect further dissolution might come, such as a breakaway republic from the Russian Federation, or China and its provinces. Heck, we're watching dissolution right and left. Churches schism. Counties in Oregon voting to further annexation in Idaho. No telling really. Time will tell.

If thieves are on your property and there is a castle doctrine in your state, I suggest "bang." Mostly peaceful, as CNN might say.....

:)

65 posted on 06/09/2023 12:23:37 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: ransomnote
Interesting analysis. My wife saw the Zelensky vid and said a few things that more or less reinforce your main points. The first thing she said was that he and the rest of those "men" had a lot of practice walking around in heels like that and that it was almost impossible to dance as well as they did unless you wore them often and walked around in them for a long time. The second thing she said was that the vid was definitely made to turn on gay men and that, by far, straight women would find it sleazy and gross, which it most definitely is. My wife, who is a gorgeous, intelligent gal, said it totally grossed her out.

If that vid wasn't made to titilate gay men, and was done purely for comedic value, it would have been a lot more farcical and far less "seductively" choreographed.

I think you're on to something with your suggestion that the little grifter slept his way up the ladder. I've had a ton of experience dealing with Eastern Europeans and I can tell you that one of their prominent, cultural traits is a notion that everything, (and I mean everything), is for sale. Price is the only concern.

66 posted on 06/09/2023 2:28:58 PM PDT by Rocco DiPippo
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To: e_castillo
Except that the Ukrainians are honoring the history of their collaboration with the real NAZIS, and their admiration of their values.

The Marines were just using a cool-looking symbol.

67 posted on 06/09/2023 2:29:35 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman)
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To: MeganC
Red Army liberated them, Auschwitz-Birkenau, Madjanek...

History can be an inconvenient thing.

68 posted on 06/09/2023 2:43:19 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

The Gulag[c][d][10][11][9] was the government agency in charge of the Soviet network of forced labour camps which were set up by order of Vladimir Lenin, reaching its peak during Joseph Stalin’s rule from the 1930s to the early 1950s.[12] English-language speakers also use the word gulag in reference to each of the forced-labor camps that existed in the Soviet Union, including the camps that existed in the post-Lenin era.[13][14] The full official name of the agency changed several times.

The Gulag is recognized as a major instrument of political repression in the Soviet Union. The camps housed a wide range of convicts, from petty criminals to political prisoners, a large number of whom were convicted by simplified procedures, such as NKVD troikas or other instruments of extrajudicial punishment. In 1918–1922, the agency was administered by the Cheka, followed by the GPU (1922–1923), the OGPU (1923–1934), later known as the NKVD (1934–1946), and the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) in the final years. The Solovki prison camp, the first correctional labour camp which was constructed after the revolution, was opened in 1918 and legalized by a decree, “On the creation of the forced-labor camps”, on April 15, 1919.

The internment system grew rapidly, reaching a population of 100,000 in the 1920s. By the end of 1940, the population of the Gulag camps amounted to 1.5 million.[15] The emergent consensus among scholars is that, of the 14 million prisoners who passed through the Gulag camps and the 4 million prisoners who passed through the Gulag colonies from 1930 to 1953, roughly 1.5 to 1.7 million prisoners perished there or they died soon after they were released.[1][2][3] Some journalists and writers who question the reliability of such data heavily rely on memoir sources that come to higher estimations.[1][7] Archival researchers have found “no plan of destruction” of the gulag population and no statement of official intent to kill them, and prisoner releases vastly exceeded the number of deaths in the Gulag.[1] This policy can partially be attributed to the common practice of releasing prisoners who were suffering from incurable diseases as well as prisoners who were near death.[15][16]

Almost immediately after the death of Stalin, the Soviet establishment started to dismantle the Gulag system. A mass general amnesty was granted in the immediate aftermath of Stalin’s death, but it was only offered to non-political prisoners and political prisoners who had been sentenced to a maximum of five years in prison. Shortly thereafter, Nikita Khrushchev was elected First Secretary, initiating the processes of de-Stalinization and the Khrushchev Thaw, triggering a mass release and rehabilitation of political prisoners. Six years later, on 25 January 1960, the Gulag system was officially abolished when the remains of its administration were dissolved by Khrushchev. The legal practice of sentencing convicts to penal labor was not fully abolished even though it was restrained and it continues to exist in the Russian Federation, but its capacity is greatly reduced.[17][18]

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature, who survived eight years of Gulag incarceration, gave the term its international repute with the publication of The Gulag Archipelago in 1973. The author likened the scattered camps to “a chain of islands”, and as an eyewitness, he described the Gulag as a system where people were worked to death.[19] In March 1940, there were 53 Gulag camp directorates (simply referred to as “camps”) and 423 labor colonies in the Soviet Union.[4] Many mining and industrial towns and cities in northern Russia, eastern Russia and Kazakhstan such as Karaganda, Norilsk, Vorkuta and Magadan, were blocks of camps which were originally built by prisoners and subsequently run by ex-prisoners.[20]


69 posted on 06/09/2023 2:44:34 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC

LOL, thanks for the Wiki cut and paste lesson in Soviet history, Sweetcheeks.


70 posted on 06/09/2023 3:15:16 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

You’re welcome. Now stop saying the Soviets/Russians didn’t run concentration camps.


71 posted on 06/09/2023 5:08:25 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC
No, I said Hopi indians didn't.

You're not very bright, are you?

72 posted on 06/09/2023 6:48:42 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman)
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To: wardaddy; george76; Grzegorz 246; dangus
wardaddy And Ukes slaughtered polish Catholics Pell mell same era yet Poland loves Ukraine now

you have oversimplified and distorted history, wardaddy

The murderers were the UPA - Ukrainian people's army; 100,000 innocent civilians were massacred; the main targets were "Poles"

Now is where it gets murky - the definition of "Poles" were Polish speaking Latin-rite Catholics. This was insane where you had mixed families.

As to "Poland loves Ukraine now" - it is more like "likes" - the Poles are still wary and they still remember.

But they will help the women and children as that is the human thing to do. And Poles KNOW that if Putin won in Ukraine, he would target Poland next

73 posted on 06/12/2023 6:30:07 AM PDT by Cronos
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