Posted on 06/06/2023 1:04:29 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin dismissed Russia's claims to have inflicted heavy losses on Ukraine in the Donbas when Kyiv attempted offensive action.
Prigozhin said the claims were "simply wild and absurd science fiction".
But Russia's defence ministry doubled down on the claims on Tuesday, saying Ukraine suffered over 3,700 casualties.
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Speaking to state media, Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu insisted that his forces had inflicted over 3,715 casualties on Ukraine during the attack and destroyed dozens of pieces of military equipment.
"The attempts at an offensive have failed. The enemy has been halted. Russian soldiers and officers displayed courage and heroism in the battles," Mr Shoigu said, adding that 71 Russian troops died in the fighting.
However, Prigozhin was quick to hit out at the defence ministry's claims on Monday evening, saying the claims of a huge success would amount to a "massacre".
"Therefore, I think that these are just some wild fantasies," he wrote on Telegram. He also accused Russian forces of "slowly" withdrawing from the village of Berkhivka on the outskirts of Bakhmut, calling it a "disgrace".
Moscow rejected Prigozhin's claims in a statement on Tuesday. It said his allegations did "not correspond to reality" and insisted that the suburb remained under Moscow's control.
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You don’t see the difference between supporting the American side in a war versus the enemy’s side?
moonofalabama.org has good info.
So we’ve got the BBC, which has a vested interest (NATO)
We’ve got Prigozhin, who has a vested interest (setting up life after war, defending the ‘honor’ of his mercenaries compared with Russian troops), and the assertions some have said that he has PTSD.
We’ve got Russia, which has a vested interest (wartime psyops).
I can believe Russia lost fewer/killed more than the Ukraine just based on armaments/ammo/missiles (Russia has so much more than NATO) but these numbers in the OP seem exaggerated. There are some claiming both have modern weapons - well the Ruskies have so much more, and more trained people to fire them. The Ukraine has an insignificant airforce, so that disparity alone could cost many lives.
That's a very simple-minded world view isn't? I'm on the side that supports peace.
You are on the side that started a war and refuses to end it and on the side of our enemy, just like the 60s.
What kind of Orwellian thinking you must use to call the victims being invaded, the warmongers, and the invading nation devourers the peacemakers.
Did you miss that part where I said I'm not on any side?
The only war mongers are the ones in the UK/NATO and the US. You think they care what happens to the Ukrainian people? They don't. They're just cannon fodder in the proxy war.
Someone, ANYONE should be attempting to seek diplomatic solution to this problem that began almost a decade ago.
It is natural for members of a pro-America conservative site to show support for the side America and at least 54 of our friends and allies all support, from the 30 other nations of our anti-Russia NATO alliance to countries like Australia, South Korea, and Japan.
It is natural for a pro-America, conservative site to show support for our troops under threat from Russian attack and nuclear weapons at our European bases and whose presence there is to defend the world from Russia.
What isn’t natural is for the enemy to have such dedicated supporters here.
Saw a story today about the reopening of the Iranian embassy in Saudi Arabia after a long closure. Part of the reason for this was the world seeing how easily the Biden administration just abandoned Afghanistan to rot.
The world is becoming a bi-polar world.
Here's from a Newsweek story today about the sentiment in the world towards the United States.
"Unreliability such as issues concerning the recent U.S. debt ceiling—which has only been pushed back to 2025—and the risks of sanctions," Devonshire-Ellis told Newsweek. "Overbearing in that it has used international mechanisms to punish countries it doesn't agree with (cutting countries off SWIFT) and has appeared to use the G7 as an economic 'gang' to support and justify what it does elsewhere." "Other countries are starting to become concerned at this type of behavior: unsustainable debt levels and the imposition of a 'rules based order' and global economics that only appear to service the U.S. and its immediate allies—at the expense of everybody else,"
China and Russia are making huge in-roads into Africa. The South Africans told the ICC to piss off over charges against Putin and the middle east is reforming due to the vacuum left behind by the United States. This is witnessed by Syria re-joining the OAS or Arab league (forget which). The 'American side' was to depose Assad. That hasn't worked out either.
The world is moving on from the likes of Britian, Germany and the US and considering the types of leaders we have these days, they are likely better off for it.
LOL, typical for a Russia supporter, which you are, read your posting history, you are now going into rambling about all sorts of topics.
Don’t work on me, stand outside our military bases and hand out fliers to our troops, tell them to switch their loyalties to Russia.
Let's dumb this so far down you will understand it. Any conflict Biden and the Neocons support, I am against.
By the way, my son-in-law is Air Force and has served in places like Jordan and others.
You'd be disappointed in what he thinks.
Look at your posts and your posting history, you support Russia and are against our side.
Look at all of your posts regarding Russia’s invasion, you are clearly a Russia supporter, which is why you are posting on this thread.
It's possible he has PTSD. But, Larry Johnson believes that Moscow is intentionally allowing Prigozhin to put out disinformation in hopes the Biden regime and NATO believes some of it.
I’ve thought that theory seems reasonable - his assertions that the Russians are cowards and they couldn’t hold Bakmut helped draw more Ukrainian soldiers into the meat grinder.
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