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To: Fido969
So the problem isn’t that they are Nazis, it’s that it is “fueling Russian propaganda”.

By the end of the 1930s the Ukrainians had suffered a Holocaust level genocide -- 5 to 11 million murdered (depending on whose estimate you believe) by an NKVD orchestrated artificial famine.

To many Ukrainians, the Nazis were liberating them from Communist mass murderers.

Much like Jews later saw the Communists as liberating them from Nazi mass murderers.

6 posted on 06/05/2023 7:52:37 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Angelino97
To many Ukrainians, the Nazis were liberating them from Communist mass murderers.

That was the Nazis big mistake. They should have just created a Ukrainian Puppet state, like they did for Slovakia, with some autonomy, most Ukrainians would have supported this over Stalin.

7 posted on 06/05/2023 7:54:29 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Angelino97

That is a more realistic view of things.

Peter Hitchens posted a link on Twitter last week noting the monuments to Nazi collaboration in Ukraine and other places in Eastern Europe Latvians, Lithuanians and Estonians among others saw Nazis as liberators but they ended up helping in evil deeds perpetrated by the Nazis...

https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1663245361291358208


12 posted on 06/05/2023 7:56:52 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: Angelino97

Yes and Jews were associated with the Soviets or commies whatever

And uke civilians butchered them at levels that appalled even Nazi units at first so much they recorded it so they wouldn’t be blamed and much was done by hand like Rwanda style

This friction and violence goes back a ways there probably to before Middle Ages with these groups

And apparently still around

The you’ve got the catholic orthodox thing and the orthodox orthodox thing

Ukraine and Eastern Europe in general is pretty bloody damn place honestly

The irony or silliness I guess is our media has a meltdown if some 20dummies march around carrying historical flags yet support a nation which has a large intimidating neo Nazi military bloc(s)

Funded and managed by oligarchs who were instrumental in 2014 maiden and installing Zekensky candidacy

And who are nearly all including the leading one Jewish themselves

This is a nuts nation


19 posted on 06/05/2023 8:04:30 AM PDT by wardaddy (Technology is not by default an improvement )
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To: Angelino97
Good perspective.

BTW, the Soviet hammer and sickle battle flag is common among russian units.

In the end, the commies have had a much longer reign and slaughtered far more people.

25 posted on 06/05/2023 8:32:10 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: Angelino97

The Ukrainians weren’t without blame.

You may want to research the “Khatyn Massacre”. The Schutzmannschaft Battalion, which was comprised of mostly Ukrainian volunteers and the dreaded Dirlewanger Battalion raped, shot and burned alive inhabitants of this Belarusian village. Only 2 villagers survived and 149 perished.

The film “ Come And See” portrays this massacre. It’s not pretty.

Ukrainian collaborators assisted the Nazis in the attempted genocide of Belarusians by shooting and burning Eastern Belarusians alive, along with their villages.

I don’t care what the USSR did to Ukraine; There’s absolutely no excuse for those particular Ukrainians committing such atrocities and attempting the genocide of the Belarusians.

I know that today’s Ukrainians aren’t to blame, but they have an ugly history and not all Ukrainians were “victims”.


42 posted on 06/05/2023 10:26:29 AM PDT by CrimsonTidegirl (The fate of all mankind, I see, is in the hands of fools.- King Crimson)
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