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Russia says it thwarted major Ukrainian offensive, killed hundreds
reuters.com ^ | June 5, 2023 | https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-its-forces-thwarted-major-ukrainian-offensive-2023-

Posted on 06/04/2023 7:37:47 PM PDT by elpadre

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The only imaginable conclusion is a military coup in Kiev.

There is nothing else possible. All of the Russian hierarchy have signed onto the concept of existential. They are fight NATO, not Ukraine.

Russia cannot accept a ceasefire. Ukraine cannot accept a ceasefire. Neither side can believe the other.

The government structure in Ukraine differs from Russia in one critical way. The intelligence arm in Russia vs Ukraine is within the military in one instance, and independent within the other.

This is why a military coup in Russia is not credible vs Ukraine.


21 posted on 06/04/2023 11:28:30 PM PDT by Owen
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To: taxesareforever
Sometimes a meme's worth a thousand words. . .

Winning!

22 posted on 06/05/2023 1:04:44 AM PDT by Rocco DiPippo
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

German Gepard vs drones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuWDtQhkF98

Anti-Drone Gun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GPLsJ4FLuA

Rheinmetall Air Defence: Skynex truck-mounted engaging drone swarm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb5_F4_Eod8


23 posted on 06/05/2023 1:15:18 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

I meant to write, that Ukraine does not have the numbers of anti-drone guns and systems, that it needs.


24 posted on 06/05/2023 1:19:11 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
Mobile rocket system

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1665600635868262406


25 posted on 06/05/2023 2:10:53 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Ancesthntr

THE Big Offensive has just started—give it a week and watch the Ukraine Hero Army cut though Ork Lines and Liberate lands taken by evil RuZZians. Talk of defeat are all lies! RuZZians are in full retreat and surrendering for food and medical supplies. Putin will be dead in a week! and the Victory assured—send another Billion dollars in Cash, or weapon in boxes we can sell.


26 posted on 06/05/2023 4:09:30 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: A strike
...you go with that.

Okay, bub, I will. Thanks for your approval. ;)
27 posted on 06/05/2023 4:22:46 AM PDT by adorno
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To: linMcHlp

Perhaps, but i haven’t seen much of a Russian response to the thousands of drones Ukrainians have and have used.
My opinion, Russian lines will collapse, Russians will launch what munitions they have left to little effect
What is happening in belgrod oblast is not a good sign for Russia and I think that will be repeated across the lines.

When Russians move to reenforce positions under attack they weaken other lines, and they are very susceptible when moving as well.

Most of their lines are staffed by mobiks who just want to live, their “elite” units have been watered down by months of fighting. Simply put an elite unit takes lots of training and time working together how much of that existed prior to invasion is debatable, what they are now is far from elite.

In the Ukrainian side training is good, but baptism under fire is a whole other thing. How they react will be crucial.

As much as many have turned this into a sporting event, my team vs your team,it is not. Many lives will be lost and damaged.

Regardless of the outcome Ukraine has lost much, but I think Russia and Putin have lost even more. IE, Ukraine was never considered a super power so they have lost nothing in this regard. Russia on the other hand was trying to reassert it dominance and not only has it failed at that it has gutted its military arsenal, Soviet legacy stocks, and perceived power
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At best Russia survives as a subordinate to China, at worst it is broken up, China gets bigger and a much smaller and much less powerful ethnic Russian state remains. Whether or not that includes Putin we will see, personally I advise him to stay away from windows
Just my 2 cents


28 posted on 06/05/2023 5:32:15 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: BrexitBen

>Mindless slaughter. Get the two sides to the bargaining table before Ukraine is reduced to a moonscape.

Yeah, the only reason it continues is because the left no longer cares about how bloody wars are when they’re in charge.


29 posted on 06/05/2023 6:21:41 AM PDT by struggle
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To: Rocco DiPippo

Good one


30 posted on 06/05/2023 11:18:02 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Islam is an ideology. It is NOT a religion.)
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Referring to my reply 16

Anti-Drone info

Rheinmetall Air Defence: Skynex truck-mounted engaging drone swarm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb5_F4_Eod8

Anti-Drone EW 'Gun':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GPLsJ4FLuA

Drone Detection:
https://www.aerialarmor.com/blog/range-of-the-dji-aeroscope

Fortem DroneHunter F700:
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1618959657581842433

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Columns - Spearheads - Wedges

Ukraine has not yet demonstrated that it can operate a combined force of tanks plus supporting troops that are needed to help protect the vulnerable flanks of the armor vehicles.

In the first 3 months of the war in 2022, Ukraine lost many armored vehicles, plus otherwise "military" vehicles, plus thousands of troops - who were slaughtered by Russian flank attacks. Because apparent/official combat leaders lacked training on how to direct combined (tanks plus troops on the flanks) ops.

What the Russian suffered by conducting armor spearheads, the Ukrainians also suffered then, and again on June 4, 2023.

31 posted on 06/08/2023 5:36:14 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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