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NATO-trained units will serve as tip of spear in Ukraine’s counteroffensive
The Washington Post ^ | June 4, 2023 | Isabelle Khurshudyan and Kamila Hrabchuk

Posted on 06/04/2023 3:56:22 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

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To: buwaya

Russia is running low on artillery and ammo besides.

That has been the story for how long now ?

A quick Internet search show articles from June 2022 !
Lol Sep 2022 !
March 2023 !

Someday, one day, maybe. Down to shovels and hammers for now.

Is this a source or an opinion ? Hope you don’t pay money for that .


101 posted on 06/04/2023 7:02:31 AM PDT by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: rbmillerjr

“There is bipartisan support for funding Ukraine with weapons.”

Translation: both Rs & Ds have their hands in the Ukraine till and will spend us into oblivion to avoid being found out. There is no legitimate reason for us to intervene beyond peace talks.


102 posted on 06/04/2023 7:03:46 AM PDT by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: icclearly

Small amount of money spent and the Russians are stalemated.
They can’t take Ukraine.

Russia is a paper tiger, resorting to mercenaries, weapons from Iran and idle threats of using nukes.

Putin’s dream for a new Russian Empire is a burning Hindenburg afire and falling to the ground.


103 posted on 06/04/2023 7:04:33 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: buwaya
Russia is running low on artillery and ammo besides.

Six weeks ago, you said the Russians were fighting with shovels in Bakhmut, and before that they were using washing machine pasts to repair tanks.

Remember?

104 posted on 06/04/2023 7:07:22 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: bk1000

“There is no legitimate reason for us to intervene beyond peace talks.”

PeaceTalks: Russia, get out.
Russia: No.

This is why we are arming Ukraine. It’s also in our national security interest to not allow Russia to illegally invade a sovereign nation and destabilize Europe.


105 posted on 06/04/2023 7:07:36 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: JonPreston

Shhhh. He has “sources” .


106 posted on 06/04/2023 7:08:06 AM PDT by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: csvset

He’s another British blowhard, who if it wasn’t for belligerent American Neocons standing behind his pathetic island nation, he’d be cowering in a corner.


107 posted on 06/04/2023 7:12:00 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: rbmillerjr

I hate the Nazis. But they were preferable over the Soviets. We should have joined with the Germans after Hitler’s death to destroy the Soviet Union.

Now that the Soviets are gone you want to help resurrect them. Brilliant.


108 posted on 06/04/2023 7:17:41 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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To: csvset

Currently it seems so. A number of facts seem to indicate it.

For one Prigozhin has been crying for months about lacking ammo. That was his principal beef since the friction with the army started.

I doubt it would have been deliberately held back by a Russian army richly supplied with it. This tells me there is internal competition for scarce resources.

Then there is the matter of the multiplying 120mm mortars. Useful things, but way less flexible in every way than long range 152mm howitzers. But they are much easier to supply.

And then there are the ancient 152mm D1 (M1943) howitzers lately being seen all over. These are very short range weapons, but they use different ammo stocks than the modern ones. There would be no reason to risk their crews vs drones and Uke counterbattery unless they HAD to use them.

And then there are the tanks and 100/125mm antitank guns seen being used as artillery. And etc.

A well supplied army wouldn’t be piling up such a zoo of expedients.


109 posted on 06/04/2023 7:18:14 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: JonPreston

I never mentioned shovels.


110 posted on 06/04/2023 7:20:06 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya
Be substantial, and analytical.

I am. I am showing the logical inconsistency of the propagana put out by the Washington Post and those advocating the position taken therein. It is not for me to figure out which part are lies and which aren't. At least some of it is a pack of lies. Start from demonstrable facts - real facts, not fact checked facts - and then argue the point. Right now the position is nonsense not worthy of Edward Lear or Lewis Carroll.

111 posted on 06/04/2023 7:38:59 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: buwaya
For one Prigozhin has been crying for months about lacking ammo. That was his principal beef since the friction with the army started.

How much of the intelligence community along with you fell for that on? Please don't attack me. I'm out of ammo he screams to the world - and lives to scream it again. I know we have just about taken Bakhmut, but we cannot hold it so please please please don't attack me here or I will fold.

What was it that Sun Tsu wrote about deception. What is it that Churchhill said about the first casualty of war.

112 posted on 06/04/2023 7:43:20 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: buwaya
The Ukes began getting weapons from the US only in 2018, and those were just some Javelins. Ordered by Trump btw.

You're lying!


113 posted on 06/04/2023 7:45:15 AM PDT by icclearly
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To: Vaquero

You seem to want to resurrect Imperial Russia and the old Soviet Empire, as Putin has admitted to.

Do you think that is in the national security interests of the US?


114 posted on 06/04/2023 7:46:04 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: Timber Rattler

“ D-Day coming soon!”
*************************

Yes, it will launch ANY DAY NOW. But first the Ukrainians NEED YET AN ADDITIONAL THREE BILLION DOLLARS.

…or is it $5 Billion? Zelensky says GIBS-ME-DAT bunch of American taxpayer DOLLARS! We must give!


115 posted on 06/04/2023 7:48:10 AM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX’)
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To: rbmillerjr

Putin is a nut. He’s sick and probably won’t be around too long. imperial Russia would be far superior to the Soviets or putin


116 posted on 06/04/2023 7:49:14 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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To: CodeToad
You’ve already claimed many times that Russia was defeated and Ukraine had won.

I have never said any such thing. So prove it.

117 posted on 06/04/2023 7:54:18 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: icclearly

Uh huh.

What US/Euro weapons were supplied to Ukraine pre-Feb 2022?


118 posted on 06/04/2023 7:55:22 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: AndyJackson

No, you are arguing with me (me, not some hypothetical being) by setting up an array of absurd straw men.


119 posted on 06/04/2023 7:57:45 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: icclearly
The US/NATO has had 8 years to train and equip the Ukes.

And....the Russians utterly failed to take Kyiv and even retreated in the North and Northeast, and are nowbogged down in the East. Looks to me like that training and equipping paid off in dividends.

120 posted on 06/04/2023 7:58:24 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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