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‘Everything Changed’: The War Arrives on Russians’ Doorstep; With cross-border strikes, residents of the Russian region of Belgorod are starting to understand the horrors of war being waged at their doorstep.
New York Times ^ | 06/03/2023 | Valerie Hopkins and Anatoly Kurmanaev

Posted on 06/03/2023 9:17:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: blitz128

I never claimed ‘liberation’. Colonel MacGregor and others have made the point that Russia attempted to destroy infrastructure and compel negotiations with a restrained approach which the Ukraine, and Russian citizens, took as a sign of weakness. When it was clear no amount of infrastructure loss or loss of fighting men would compel negotiations, then Russia went ‘all in’.
But prior to that, yes there are citizens in the crossfire in urban warfare, but the citizens werne’t targeted. Russia wanted to restore relations in the region and considers many in the Ukrain to be fellow slav/Christians. Yes there were civilian deaths - conduct a war in NY city and there’s be civilian deaths - but it doesn’t mean they were targeted.


41 posted on 06/04/2023 9:32:43 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: rbmillerjr

“Since Russia failed at taking all of Ukraine after their invasion, Russia turned to a terror war against Ukrainian citizens. There are not enough attacks inside of Russia and Moscow. Fair is fair.”

Obviously, Russia wasn’t trying to take all of Ukraine. Using restraint to force negotiations was falsely perceived as weakness. Z was never going to negotiate to save Ukrainian people or the infrastructure, so then Russia went full aggression.

There’s no excuse to distract from the Uke failure in Bakmut by terrorist attacks on citizens - it’s a propaganda effort to make a splash, that’s all.


42 posted on 06/04/2023 9:35:11 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: vladimir998

It’s also a fact that the Russians soaked in war movies and memorials etc. to the point I wondered if they were creating cultural PTSD. This was many decades after the war.


43 posted on 06/04/2023 9:52:25 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: canuck_conservative

Russia practiced restraint and focused on infrastructure. Propagandists from sea to shining sea (MSM, FR etc.) all screamed that Russia was there to torture and kill women and children etc. I have saved a meme somewhere of a Ukrainian offical admitting she posts fake stories about Russian war crimes. I watched a video filmed by Ukrainians, and never denied, of them telling Russian soldiers to lie down and then shooting them in the back of the head. The Ukraine practices Banderite means/methods.


44 posted on 06/04/2023 9:55:09 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

When Putin invaded in 2014 it was to expand Russia.


45 posted on 06/04/2023 10:54:57 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: McGruff

The article doesn’t applaud the deaths in any way


46 posted on 06/04/2023 10:55:22 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: zeestephen

Technically it isn’t Ukraine attacking Russia. Those are Russians fighting Putin’s army.

Secondly, if Ukraine did attack Russian territory after 1 year of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, could you blame them?


47 posted on 06/04/2023 10:56:54 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: McGruff

The soundtrack doesn’t match the video. Next you’ll have Xhosa speaking over the video


48 posted on 06/04/2023 11:03:11 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: ransomnote

I was correct. Russia tried to take Kyiv and concentrated forces north of the capitol.

It failed. As far as attacks on citizens, well...Russia started it.

Russia has failed miserably.


49 posted on 06/04/2023 12:04:26 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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